Friday, October 14, 2005

Irwin Schiff Trial Coverage by Freedom Law School (Segment 4 of 5)

17 Old Comments:

I don't know how many times Judge Dawson has sanctioned Mr. Schiff, but here's how the "power of two" math works out. I assume that there have been at least 5 sanctions so I'll start there.

sanctions = # of days
5 = 32 days
6 = 64 days
7 = 128 days
8 = 256 days
9 = 512 days (1.4 years)
10 = 1,024 days (2.8 years)
11 = 2,048 days (5.6 years)
12 = 4,096 days (11.2 years)
13 = 8,192 days (22.4 years)
14 = 16,384 days (44.9 years)
15 = 32,768 days (89.8 years)
16 = 65,536 days (179.6 years)
17 = 131,072 days (359.2 years)
18 = 262,144 days (718.4 years)
19 = 524,288 days (1436.8 years)
20 = 1,048,576 days (2,872.8 years)

Pick a number where you think "cruel and unusual punishment" begins.

By Anonymous Interested Party, at 10/14/2005 1:41 AM  

"…every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power..."
"The State has said to society, You are either not exercising enough power…or are exercising it in what I think is an incompetent way, so I shall confiscate your power, and exercise it to suit myself."
"...underlying…faith in "political action"…is the assumption that the interests of the State and the interests of society are, at least theoretically, identical; whereas in theory they are directly opposed…"
"...the code of government should be that of the legendary King Pausole, who prescribed but two laws for his subjects, the first being, Hurt no man, and the second, Then do as you please; and that the whole business of government should be the purely negative one of seeing that this code is carried out."
"[The State] did not originate in the common understanding and agreement of society; it originated in conquest and confiscation..."
"Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him…So far from encouraging a wholesome development of social power, it has invariably, as Madison said, turned every contingency into a resource for depleting social power and enhancing State power..."
Albert Nock, Our Enemy the State

doesn't the above remind you of the judge, who is the state? CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/14/2005 7:29 AM  

Your post on sanctions is wrong. Schiff gets ONE day in jail for each sanctioned contempt charge. That is what percisley the Judge stated in OPEN Court.

More nonsese posts from those that have no clue!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/14/2005 10:53 AM  

Paymons Freedom callin posts are a waste to this blog. We are here to hear from those that are actually at the trial. Paymon is not at the trial. So who ever is posting paymons BS should stop wasting our time!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/14/2005 10:54 AM  

Anonymous said...

Paymons Freedom callin posts are a waste to this blog. We are here to hear from those that are actually at the trial. Paymon is not at the trial. So who ever is posting paymons BS should stop wasting our time!

Obviously you haven't bothered to listen to the posts you are complaining about, since trial witnesses ARE discussing the trial on the callin conference.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/14/2005 11:38 AM  

If Paymon didn't pay for the calls we would all be in the dark so we should thank him. If he makes a pitch once in a while its OK with me.

By Blogger zblackhorsez, at 10/14/2005 11:51 AM  

What truth are we hearing on this site and from the courtroom?

1). Irwin’s blogsite states there is no court on Friday and it will continue on Monday!
2). These blogs have stated and repeated that Irwin has Already been found GUILTY!
3). On the audioblog it was reported that there will be court on Friday!

If it is true that Irwin is found GUILTY, and for the exact same charges as specified on these blogs, then Judge Dawson had something to do with this by releasing info PRIOR to the jury going to decide.

What a strange coincidence!!!

Repeat only from Thursday’s blog, NOT true!
Twice Convicted "de-tax guru" Irwin Schiff has been found guilty of all charges.
1 Count - Conspiracy to Defraud the United States (GUILTY)
5 Counts - Aiding & Assisting in the Filing of False Fed Inc Tax Returns (GUILTY)
1 Count - Tax Evasion (GUILTY
6 Counts - Filing False Income Tax Returns (GUILTY

All those that repeat your blog statement on all the other blog postings then STOP it!
I am tired of reading through the same info over and over again.
It is no different then reading good news articles in different papers and have someone’s advertisement right in the middle.

By the way can you trust Peymon?
If he asks you to send cash through the mail then will he give you a receipt for which he may have not received it?
He is as bad as others who say there does not have to be a law!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/14/2005 11:51 AM  

I guess it’s time I tell the truth. I know Mr. Schiff is innocent because I heard my boss at the IRS say, “if we don’t frame Schiff our jobs are in jeopardy.” So I hope everyone understands and forgives me but I had to write those things my boss and Judge Dawson told me to. Didn’t I?
Also I need ro tell Anonymous Guy and other government anonymous bloggers, that It only takes a second to establish a name to blog under. Now I know "DIRTY ROTTEN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE SCUM" has been taken by my boss but there are other names you could use to describe yourself! Oh, I forgot. You are afraid if you register to get a blog name you will be traced back to the IRS/Prosecutor/Judge Dawson’s offices as was I. I’m sure you know I understand the hardships of being a ROACH when the light comes on!
However, we are operating under a false sense of security. A computer freak with the right software can trace “Anonymous, frank buckner and Anonymous guy” posts and give that information to Irwin to use if an appeal becomes necessary or to expose us before Judge Dawson. And trust me on this, Judge Dawson will not like it when one of us flunkies gets caught with his pants down.

By Blogger frank bucknar, at 10/14/2005 11:56 AM  

Some unbiased, objective, and accurate information about Irwin Schiff from an highly acclaimed source: http://www.quatlosers.com/irwin_schiff.htm

Be FULLY informed!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/14/2005 12:04 PM  

anonymous said ...

Your post on sanctions is wrong. Schiff gets ONE day in jail for each sanctioned contempt charge. That is what percisley the Judge stated in OPEN Court.

More nonsese posts from those that have no clue!


You're right. I have no clue because I wasn't at the trial, I'm just reading and listening to these blogs. Several credible people have stated multiple times that Judge Dawson said the sanctions double the number of days each time. I was simply providing the math of such a proposition. I find the doubling sanction ridiculous too.

I guess we won't really know until the transcripts are available.

By Anonymous interested party, at 10/14/2005 1:17 PM  

The judge probably could not hold Irwin in contempt longer than one year, BTW.

Something like 20 or 40 days is much more likely.

If Irwin is convicted, it is doubtful that the judge will make Irwin serve his contempt at all.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/14/2005 1:28 PM  

Hey folks, thanks for your verbal support of me during my kangaroo trial. I was told not to "audio" blog anymore, but the Nazi judge said nothing about writing.

I appreciate all the support, but my finances have been being drained by this illegal trial. Please, if you really believe in the truth about the income tax laws, send whatever you can to

Irwin Schiff Support Fund
C/O Freedom Books
444 East Sahara Avenue
Las Vegas, NV 89104

Obviously I would prefer cash donations.

I thank you and so does Cindy and Larry.

By Anonymous Irwin Schiff, at 10/14/2005 8:28 PM  

"The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."
John Jay, 1st Chief Justice
U.S. Supreme Court 1789
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts."
Samuel Chase, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
1796, Signer of Declaration of Indep.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided."
Harlan F. Stone, 12th Chief Justice
U.S. Supreme Court, 1941
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the evidence."
United States vs. Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
(including direct taxation without apportionment).
Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The people themselves have it in their power effectually to resist usurpation, without being driven to an appeal to arms. An act of usurpation is not obligatory; it is not law; and any man may be justified in his resistance. Let him be considered as a criminal by the general government, yet only his fellow citizens can convict him; they're his jury, and if they pronounce him innocent, not all the powers of Congress can hurt him; and innocent they certainly will pronounce him if the supposed law he resisted was an act of usurpation."
2 Elliot's Debates, 94; Bancroft, History of the Constitution, 267
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/15/2005 2:08 AM  

Well, I guess it is too late to assist Schiff with any more information to give to the jury, as well as his motion to have all this dismissed which included mentioning the Corporation Tax Act of 1909. Did you know that if your name is in ALL capital letters you are considered a corporation, but you cannot be taxed as if you were! Why aren’t you listed with any Secretary of State as a corporation, or even write any resolutions for the actions you take? They use the same laws, but they tax you differently and don’t bother with the corporate activities.

Can the IRS or the courts explain how anyone can claim EXEMPT and NOT commit perjury on the Form W-4 if we are liable for the ‘wage’ tax? But it just says ‘tax liability’ not specifying what tax. You could have a sales tax liability for a weekend job, so therefore you must NOT claim EXEMPT and thus have the ‘withholding tax’ taken out. Well I have found out that it doesn’t matter about the perjury portion, it only matters if you pay the tax, or if your employer makes you pay the tax. Is the ‘withholding tax’ going towards the sales tax? NO!

With the forced acceptance of your SSN then you automatically became a U.S. citizen and not just a state citizen. So therefore you reside in a U.S. territory even though your home and place of employment are NOT!

Banister’s and Benson’s earlier cases were won by using “The Law That Never Was” which removed any doubt that the 16th Amendment was ever ratified, but Schiff would not allow this and he should go on his own views and books, which were not allowed to be brought in.

If he is convicted then it most likely will be that Judge Dawson will close the books on the case and not even allow Schiff to appeal, as “What is there to appeal?” when there are no court documents to be seen! How can Schiff appeal his ‘credibility’ as presented? This would be Judge Dawson committing employment suicide if he did anything like that.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/15/2005 11:58 AM  

Do you wonder what Judge Dawson looks like? Would you like a couple of pictures of Judge Dawson for your wallet or to put on your Christmas cards or to throw darts at?
Then go to;
http://mickeydamouse.blogspot.com
http://mickeydamouse2.blogspot.com
and thank me later!

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/16/2005 12:28 AM  

Do you wonder what Judge Dawson looks like? Would you like a couple of pictures of Judge Dawson for your wallet or to put on your Christmas cards or to throw darts at?
Then go to;
http://mickeydamouse.blogspot.com
http://mickeydamouse2.blogspot.com
and thank me later!

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/16/2005 12:30 AM  

Some of you guys need to learn not to spam, and the Frank Buckner impersonator is either a stupid freedom lover or a clever tyranny lover.


Anonymous cowardly silly person squeaked:

"Your post on sanctions is wrong. Schiff gets ONE day in jail for each sanctioned contempt charge. That is what percisley the Judge stated in OPEN Court."

How "percisley" did he state that? Quote him, if possible.

"More nonsese posts from those that have no clue!"

:-)

Have a nice day, zero.


Another(?) anonymous cowardly silly person oozed:

"Some unbiased, objective, and accurate information about Irwin Schiff from an highly acclaimed source: http://www.quatlosers.com/irwin_schiff.htm

Be FULLY informed!"

Whose acclamation did Quatloos ever receive, and how high were they when they bestowed it?

Even a cursory fact-check on their info shows it to be outdated, misleading, incomplete, and in many cases pure bovine excrement. The best part of Jay Asskissin's song-and-dance is that he just keeps smiling and pretending, no matter how much rotten fruit hits him. No retractions, no corrections, no updates, just "on with the show!" Gotta love an entertainer with that kind of dedication to his act. Well, as long as nobody is being harmed by it, anyway. (Whoops!)

By Blogger Jamie, at 10/19/2005 2:09 PM