Monday, October 17, 2005

Irwin Schiff Trial update from Mike Golden the Radio Rebel

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Could someone chime in on the Fair and Informed Jury Act. The jury need not rely on the judges instructions if I am correct?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 6:06 PM  

You are correct. In fact one of the Judges instructions was that they have to decide for themselves.

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/17/2005 6:14 PM  

As I see it, the problem we face lays in the, either inadvertent or deliberate, lies perpetrated in the federal judicial system. As an example, lets suppose congress passes a law that says, “White is the lightest color” Then, a year or so later federal judge A innocently rules, “Slightly off white is also acceptable as the lightest color” Then, because it suits his immediate sinister purpose federal judge B says “Light gray also falls within federal judge A’s written opinion” So, federal judge C solves his bigger sinister problem with “Dark Gray falls within federal judge B’s opinion” This progresses to the point that federal judge X says “All previous judges have set the precedent, so It is well established law, that Black is the lightest color”
That is exactly what happened in the federal system to the income tax laws. The federal government in earlier tax case had the federal judge A rule the tax laws are okay even if they are “slightly confusing (off white)” and then federal judge B, judge Dorsey told Irwin Schiff’s jury, in his first trial, “that they could find him guilty even if they thought the tax laws were not specific (dark gray) and the government did not prove their case against him.” That case set the ball in motion to where now federal judge X say “Well, the judge and jury in the Schiff case made it clear that there is a law compeling (Black as the ace of spades) the filing and payment of income tax.
Which brings us to the case at hand. Federal judge Z, judge Dawson’s answer to Irwin’s question “Show me the law” is, “All the courts have ruled (Blacker then black) there is a law so I don’t have to show you or the jury anything!” That, my children is how the federal government, in most areas of our life, turns white into black and makes most of the citizens believe it even thought their eyes tell them different.
To see pictures of Judge Dawson being involuntarily yanked from the courtroom or view other blogs written by The Constitutionalist go to
Or, for convince, just left click the blue (the constitutionalist) above.

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/17/2005 6:15 PM  

Stand by for more audio blogs

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/17/2005 6:15 PM  

[final jeopardy theme music]

The answer is:
He, a second rate con artist, was found guilty of all charges on October 17,2005 in Las Vegas Nevada

[/final jeopardy theme music]

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/17/2005 6:50 PM  

Hope you are going to put your wimpy comments back on this blog when Irwin is aquitted of all charges Frank Buckner.


By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 7:01 PM  

I have found if you ignore the stupid, uninformed and basically hateful bloggers such as Little Frankie Buckner, Anonymous Guy and the other anonymous prosecution/IRS type people they just dry up and crawl back into their holes. Which, as for me, this will be the last question, answer or comment I make on those people.

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/17/2005 7:05 PM  

In response to the question about "Fair and Informed Jury Act", I think you are referring to the "Fully Informed Jury Association" which promotes juror rights and education? If that is the case, everything a juror ever wanted to know is at:

The FIJA web page is

By Anonymous interested party, at 10/17/2005 7:18 PM  

And then when the three of them are all found guilty, what will you all be saying then? They were railroaded? The jury was druged?

It'll always be someone elses fault... People like them can always find an excuse.


By Blogger Sparky, at 10/17/2005 7:20 PM  

Here here Constitutionalist!
I blocked buckner some time ago and reasonable guy has recently proven himself an unworthy personality.

I always give people a chance to converse, apologize, say "I told you so" (though that is weak) but when it becomes a mantra of hate and denial of everything, it is time to cut it off!

Give them no credence and they stand-alone with their thoughts tormenting themselves till their redemption comes at the most odd of time. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/17/2005 7:22 PM  

There are three men, authors, which are at the forefront of our financial freedom.
Two of them are presently, and have in the past been, on trial.

The Income Tax, Irwin Schiff;
‘The Federal Mafia’

The 16th Amendment, Bill Benson;
‘The Law That Never Was’

The Federal Reserve, G. Edward Griffin;
‘The Creature from J Creature from Jekyll Island’

Not a single one of these books have been banned for promoting tyranny, but so far ‘The Federal Mafia’ has been the only one been banned for promoting the TRUTH! Did you know that you can write a book on how to build a bomb and sell it freely!

If you have time, you can listen to G. Edward Griffin for about 90 minutes explaining in detail HOW the Federal Reserve System was created. He might answer many of your questions on this blog. I have heard him in person speaking on a similar issue and he had to cut it short as he has too much info to speak on for a one night meeting. His book, ‘The Creature from J Creature from Jekyll Island’ is over 600 pages and I believe has more pertinent info in it than both Schiff’s and Benson’s books combined.

As soon as Schiff and Benson are in prison they, the government, will go after Griffin! If the government is reading this then I may have slipped to tell them of who to go after next.

If you ever go to court you need to have ALL three of these certified as evidence to present your case. You should never loose, unless they charge you with a Title 18 crime.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/17/2005 7:23 PM  

And then when the three of them are all found guilty, what will you all be saying then? They were railroaded? The jury was druged?

It'll always be someone elses fault... People like them can always find an excuse.

People are saying that NOW (with the exception of the drugged jury thing). The verdict doesn't matter, there is an attempt to railroad them to a guilty verdict.

These comments crack me up sometime. It reminds of grade-school with all the name calling and he-said, she-said.

You all have mad me smile.... :)

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 7:24 PM  

The trial was a sham since the jury wasn't given a copy of Cindy's 90+ page palimony complaint, nor was the jury given a list of all the people who have followed Schiff's advice all the way to prison, including Steven Swan who got 16 years.

A FULLY INFORMED jury should know of such FACTS.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 7:25 PM  

The trial was a sham since the jury wasn't given a copy of Cindy's 90+ page palimony complaint, nor was the jury given a list of all the people who have followed Schiff's advice all the way to prison, including Steven Swan who got 16 years.

A FULLY INFORMED jury should know of such FACTS.


Oh, wait we are in Judge Dawson's court. Yes, I can see how that's completely relevant now...

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 7:31 PM  

Schiff's book was not banned -- that is yet another lie. Just look on E-Bay and it is available at various prices.

Schiff was stopped from scamming people with his book, by not telling them that many of the people who tried his theories have ended up in prison when they didn't work. He's no different than a quack who tells people that if you buy his secret formula of crushed up mushrooms that it will prevent cancer.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 7:40 PM  

Wow anonymous has lots to spew from the mouth for it speaks of things it hasn't even thought of yet. GD

By Anonymous gd, at 10/17/2005 7:58 PM  

Schiff didn't "force" anyone to file zero returns, or stop filing. He presented the TRUTH and those who followed his method believed in what they read.

Those who went to jail, didn't go because they followed the TRUTH of the Schiff method. They went to jail because of a corrupt judiciary.

By Blogger Donald, at 10/17/2005 8:06 PM  

Anonymous, are you telling me that everyone that the government has caught using Schiff’s materials has been convicted or is waiting for a trial?

I started using Schiff’s materials 4 ½ years ago. They, the IRS and the Franchise Tax Board, just ignored my amended returns and letters for those returns as they already have MY money so it doesn’t matter. Did you get it? They don’t bother you too much if they have your money. On my other letters for the years I did not file returns they are in the beginning stages, but I have NOT submitted to their beliefs to file a return for which they can charge me for filing an unlawful return, as I am not yet in their jurisdiction.

Why should the IRS send me 2 or 3 CP504 letters for the same year? It appears to me that their threatening letters are hopefully going to their advantage, but I thought that only ONE is required to take any further legal action!

Schiff was forced into their jurisdiction years ago to be allowed to be on parole. He has continued to give in, otherwise they may still make a charge of violating his parole just as they mentioned his previous convictions in this trial.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/17/2005 8:10 PM  

Schiff clients who have been criminally prosecuted aren't hard to find...

United States v. Middleton, 246 F.3d 825 (6th Cir. 2001)
United States v. Dentice, No. 99-50101 (9th Cir. Oct. 6, 1999)
United States v. Payne, 978 F.2d 1177 (10th Cir. 1992)
United States v. Burdett, 962 F.2d 228 (2d Cri. 1992)
United States v. Mosel, 738 F.2d 157 (6th Cir. 1984)
United States v. Crosson, No. 95-176 (E.D. Pa. Dec. 21, 1995)
United States v. Anderson, 637 F. Supp. 1106 (D. Conn. 1986)
A new one for you: United States v. David G. Pflum, 2005 TNT 196-13, No. 04-3508 (10th Cir. 10/7/2005), aff'ng No. 04-CR-40008-SAC (U.S.D.C. Kan.). The opinion is about instructions on "willfulness" and objections to certain testimony on tax rates, not too interesting. The opinion begins:

10th Cir. wrote:
Benjamin Franklin famously quipped that "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Jean-Baptiste Le Roy (Nov. 13, 1789), in 10 The Writings of Benjamin Franklin 69 (A. Smyth ed. 1907). While not contesting the inevitability of the former (as far as we know), David G. Pflum believed he had found a loophole to escape the latter. After an extensive study that included reading books such as "The Great Income Tax Hoax" and "How Anyone Can Stop Paying Income Taxes," he stopped paying taxes.1

[Footnote]1 We note that the author of these books, Irwin Schiff, has maintained for more than 30 years that income taxes are voluntary, but, not surprisingly, "he has never been successful with that theory in court." United States v. Schiff, 379 F.3d 621, 623 (9th Cir. 2004) (citing cases in which Schiff's arguments have been rejected); Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460, 467 (8th Cir. 1985) (referring to the "blatant nonsense" promoted by Schiff).

The 10th Circuit affirmed Pflum's conviction on eight counts of failure to pay quarterly employment taxes, in violation of 26 U.S.C. § 7202, and three counts of failure to file a federal income tax return, in violation of 26 U.S.C. § 7203, as well as his sentence of 30 months in prison.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 8:18 PM  

You all better bite your tongues until the jury comes in with a verdict.

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/17/2005 8:19 PM  

The hate mongers are simply upset because not one of them have been able to state what the privilege is! This one simply thing has beat their minds into submission, notwithstanding all the other quality posts by the quality people on visiting this site.

Give it a the privilege you franchises you, I mean its titled the California "FRANCHISE" Tax Board, that collects the alleged state "Income Tax" is it not?

The 1980 CRS report made the following statement concerning the nature of the income tax:
“Therefore, it can be clearly determined from the decisions of the United States Supreme Court that the income tax is an indirect tax, generally in the nature of an excise tax.”
In 1989, the revised and updated their report:
What does the court mean when it states that
the income tax is in the nature of an excise tax?
“An excise tax is a tax levied on the manufacture, sale, or consumption of a commodity or any various taxes on privileges often assessed in the form of a license or fee. In other words, it is a tax on doing something to property or on the privilege of holding some property or doing some act, not a tax on the property itself. The tax is not on the property directly, but rather it is a tax on the transaction.”
“When a court refers to an income tax as being in the nature of an excise, it is merely stating that the tax is not on the property itself.”
: In 1943, an analysis of the federal income tax was published in the Congressional Record. “The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and privileges, which is measured by the income they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of the tax.” The fore stated excerpt of information was written by a former legislative draftsman in the Treasury Department and titled, “The Income Tax is an Excise Tax, and Income is Merely the Basis for determining its Amount.”

Regarless the Schiff trial outcome, the people know something is wrong and these past few days I have read and posted have been tremendous and it is a thrill to have read the quality work by so many learned Americans.

I salute you all! CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/17/2005 8:20 PM  

The same "Black Robe" types put Jesus on the cross.

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/17/2005 8:24 PM  







a woman juror said that the case appeared to be an attempted railroad of an innocent man. She said Schiff demonstrated that he depended on the US Supreme Court decisions and the IRC and the regulations. She said the government had nothing to refute his testimony.

Another juror said he thought it was fishy that the defense witnesses were only allowed to testify to Schiff's character. The juror wondered why people would travel as far as from New York, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Calif, and other places around the country to just testify to Schiff's character. The juror said, since they all said Schiff was an honest guy, and appeared to wanted to say more, but the judge admonished them before they testified that they would only be allowed to testify to Schiff's character, I assumed something was not copasetic with this case. The juror said he voted for acquittal.

After the verdict, Judge Dawson was found in the carport of the court either dead or unconscious. A nearby note was found with an inscription of Quataloo!
The noted stated, we stacked the deck and you still couldn't bring in a verdict of guilty!

Mational Inquirer


By Anonymous MATIONAL INQUIRER, at 10/17/2005 8:27 PM  

Just when you think the posts here couldn't get more pathetic...

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 8:38 PM  

Irwin Schiff deserves to be found not guilty. The same goes for Cindy Neun and Larry Cohen.

Their research is impeccable. They honestly believe, and it's true there is no law requiring anyone who is NOT liable to pay income taxes.

Furthermore, income is defined as corporate profit.

The facts speak for themselves. What we are witnessing is a corrupt government and judiciary trying to WIN by using brute force and not by being FAIR.

None of us elected to live under Attila the Hun, or a Storm Tropper type of government agency such as the IRS. We have chosen this country for FREEDOM. We must stand up for those, like Irwin Schiff who is fighting first and foremost for freedom.

While I respect the blogging process, I also ask that those who are NOT "pro- SCHIFF" to please find another blog to air your contempt and hate.

Right now, our hearts and prayers and support are for DAVID (IRWIN SCHIFF) as he slays "Goliath" in the form of the IRS.

By Blogger Donald, at 10/17/2005 8:46 PM  

Can you say SLAVERY? We have ALL been slaves since 1933, when Roosevelt signed the Banking Act.

It doesn’t matter what you do as the New World Order is in control and the U.S. Constitution is not!

Since then all the actions taken to make you believe ‘We The People’ are in charge has been greatly exaggerated.

When the time comes, one person will take charge to ease the terror going on and according to the Bible it appears to be the Anti-Christ.

Believe what you want, but one way or another something major will take place and I see it that Bush and Cheney will no longer be in the White House by the end of the year.

There are too many criminal indictments being presented online for Bush and his team.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/17/2005 8:49 PM  

Yes Non-liable - &
In 1933, the Trading with the Enemies Act is adjusted to recognize the people of the United States as enemies of Corp. U.S.

The enemy of who....THE BANKS for it was a banking act.

LAWOMAN - I have a wonderful legal accounting of the trial of Jesus as researched and written by the Honorable Judge Harry Fogle. Judge Fogle served on teh bench of the Circuit Court of Pinellas County in St. Petersburg, Fl. nearly all his professional life till his death in 1993. He presents the trial of Jesus from the perspective of a man whose life was dedicated to justice, human liberty and peace.

I will be happy to email the entire EYE opening legal accounting to anyone who asks and since you mentioned it LAWOMAN I offer to you first. I would need someway to send it however so if you or anyone wishes, please advise. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/17/2005 9:06 PM  

"10th Cir. wrote:
Benjamin Franklin famously quipped that "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Jean-Baptiste Le Roy (Nov. 13, 1789), in 10 The Writings of Benjamin Franklin 69 (A. Smyth ed. 1907). While not contesting the inevitability of the former (as far as we know), David G. Pflum believed he had found a loophole to escape the latter."

Complete BS by the 10th circuit and this poster. The U.S. Congress has placed LOOPHOLES in the TAX CODE, WAKE UP FOOL!

Non-Resident Aliens without a trade or business in the U.S. are not paying taxes on capital gains and interest income in U.S. bank and brokerage accounts AND do not have to file a 1040NR so long as all the tax witholding is done by the agent. The agent files a 1042-S to the GVT with minimal reporting requirements on financial transactions..most the reporting is to show the exemptions listed in the IRC. For example, "05- Portfolio interest exempt under Internal Revenue Service Code."

U.S. citizens and residents who do not have a trade or business in the U.S. are forced to pay the taxes on capital gains and interest income. Logically, one would think that these poor souls would be able to go to another country and receive the same treatement. However, there are major obstacles..the U.S. Congress 'wants their cake and eat it too' they have made an assortment of laws to discourage the natural flight of capital (world-income taxation scheme, for example). In addition, the U.S. Gvt. has tried to discourage financial institutions in other countries to not open accounts for U.S. citizens and residents.

Why the discrimination on U.S. citizens and residents?

One can only surmise that it is the ownership by the 'World Money Powers' over the productive labor and capital of U.S. citizens and residents to pay the interest on the debt that is the answer....

Our souls were pledged to the family banking establishments to pay back the future debt in 1933.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 9:28 PM  


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Also has anyone considered that if this clown Dawson and his henchmen succeed in getting convictions they will be awarded a "prize." (substantial monetary award above their already bloated salaries).


By Blogger wolfgangsmutz, at 10/17/2005 9:53 PM  

"Hope you are going to put your wimpy comments back on this blog when Irwin is aquitted of all charges Frank Buckner.


That's simply not going to happen. I realize you "people" have an incredibly difficult time grasping that little thing I like calling reality, but Schiff will be found guilty. NOT because of a "stacked deck" or a "corrupt judiciary" or any of the other thousand reasons you'll come up with - he will be found guilty, because he is guilty.

He's a flim flam scam man that actually stumbled into a huge stroke of luck when he found a group of people that were actually stupid enough to believe his crap. Not only believe it, but thrive on it, hoist the "zero return" flag and salute it. He fell into con man heaven at that point. You morons have been supporting him for years - he owes the IRS MILLIONS of dollar thanks to retards like you and you and even you Angela, buying his twilight zone tomes.

I realize you must "stick" with it, you're in too deep to admit that you're incredibly gullible, but damn, you don't have to wallow in your ignorance for all to see.

Then again, maybe it's a good thing - I find you people such a fantastic source of amusement. Who needs to pay $12 a month to watch comedy on HBO when the world has the tens of tax protestors in it.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/17/2005 11:58 PM  

A little "secret" unbeknownst to most - though the IRS operates by deception, the "cult elite" devotees and their agents still adhere to a "code" of their own - they still must receive your permission to act against you. This permission is gained by many methods such as depictions in movies, TV shows, well-publicized news/events, special laws enacted, obvious administrative transgressions, etc.

Like the vampire that requires your permission first before entering your home, the citizenry, must first grant consent to those who would steal from them, or cause you harm. Without resistance, or by our silence - without saying no, we will have granted authorization to those who intend to plunder the country and its people until there is nothing left but an empty shell.

By Anonymous notepad, at 10/18/2005 12:44 AM