Sunday, October 16, 2005

Irwin Schiff Trial update by Mark Yannone

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By Anonymous Doug Kenline, at 10/16/2005 9:49 PM  

See pictures of Judge Dawson being involuntarily removed from the courtroom! Suitable for throwing darts at or, hopefully an example of the future consequences to those judges in the Federal Justice system.
Go to;
http://mickeydamouse2.blogspot.comprinting and handing out at the courthouse is recommended.

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/16/2005 10:14 PM  

Now here was a total waste of blog space. A complete irrelevant audio post. Shows the poster's have nothing better to do in their lives.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/16/2005 10:50 PM  

"The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."
John Jay, 1st Chief Justice
U.S. Supreme Court 1789
"The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts."
Samuel Chase, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
1796, Signer of Declaration of Indep.
"The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided."
Harlan F. Stone, 12th Chief Justice
U.S. Supreme Court, 1941
"If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the evidence."
United States vs. Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
(including direct taxation without apportionment).
Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
"The people themselves have it in their power effectually to resist usurpation, without being driven to an appeal to arms. An act of usurpation is not obligatory; it is not law; and any man may be justified in his resistance. Let him be considered as a criminal by the general government, yet only his fellow citizens can convict him; they're his jury, and if they pronounce him innocent, not all the powers of Congress can hurt him; and innocent they certainly will pronounce him if the supposed law he resisted was an act of usurpation."
2 Elliot's Debates, 94; Bancroft, History of the Constitution, 267

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/16/2005 10:54 PM  

Since Doug Kenline did not post the message the blog master should remove it.


By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/16/2005 11:28 PM  

If the Mormon Church are really going to uphold the constitution when it is hanging by a thread which is now. The first thing that they should do is cast the devil from their own house by getting rid of Dawson. Any Mormon who has witnessed this trial and not brought it to the attention of the elders in the church, has failed their church badly.


By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/16/2005 11:53 PM  

May God be with our Brave Patriots tommorrow and His Favor Shine upon them! May Justice and Truth prevail against the Darkness and Liars.

In Jesus' Name,

Charles Baker

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/16/2005 11:57 PM  

Since Doug Kenline did not post the message the blog master should remove it.


Do you wipe his ass too?

By Anonymous John Vories lost horizon, at 10/17/2005 12:23 AM  

Listen, children, to a story
That was written long ago,
´Bout a kingdom on a mountain
And the valley-folk below.

On the mountain was a treasure
Buried deep beneath the stone,
And the valley-people swore
They´d have it for their very own.

Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won´t be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.

So the people of the valley
Sent a message up the hill,
Asking for the buried treasure,
Tons of gold for which they´d kill.

Came an answer from the kingdom,
"With our brothers we will share
All the secrets of our mountain,
All the riches buried there."

Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won´t be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.

Now the valley cried with anger,
"Mount your horses! Draw your sword!"
And they killed the mountain-people,
So they won their just reward.

Now they stood beside the treasure,
On the mountain, dark and red.
Turned the stone and looked beneath it...
"Peace on Earth" was all it said.

Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won´t be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.

Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won´t be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.

Charles Alb NM

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 12:37 AM  

If Mr. Schiff is convicted, I will immediately go on another death fast. I will also immediately apply for a burn permit to light myself on fire in front of the courthouse.

Yours in Christ
Pastor Gene Chapman

By Anonymous Gene Chapman, at 10/17/2005 12:44 AM  

In my search for my own use I found a form, SS-8 (1545-0004), that allows the ‘Determination of Worker Status for Purposes of Federal Employment Taxes and Income Tax Withholding.’ But this form specifically states the use for Federal employees as defined in Sections 3121(d) and 3401(c). There is no other form to be used if the employer wants to specify you as a regular employee. They withhold the taxes under Section 3401, so why do they believe this does not apply?

This form specifically states; “Do we have your permission to disclose this information? If you answered “NO” or do not mark a box, we (the IRS) will NOT process your request and will NOT issue a determination!”

In the instructions it also specifically states; “Firms and workers file Form SS-8 to request a determination of the status of a worker for purposes of Federal employment taxes and income tax withholding. A Form SS-8 determination may be requested only in order to resolve Federal tax matters.”

Therefore, it is my understanding that this is the only form in which ANY Federal Employment Taxes and Income Tax Withholding can be withheld, and it must be due to failing to pay taxes in the first place NOT just because you earn wages.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/17/2005 1:52 AM  

I've yet to see a post by any of the franchised quartlow/quatloos persons (person is defined as a corporation) that has significanse with regard to the only present time real issue here; That issue being, "What when wrong in America and How do we Best fix it?"

They only offer "old news" based on the difficulties people have had with the Communists and soon to be Totalitarian Regime. The reason IS THEY ARE ANAMORED WITH BOOTS AND ORIFACES THEY LICK.

They twist and turn every true word, NEVER addressing a pointed question just as they learned from their beloved IRS. They send a pamphlet or direct one to a web site that "pretends" it is right because their fellow man has been conquered by the Matrix type machine they call "Lover."

This site a provided for, after one gets past all the minutia, the NETWORKING of those who otherwise may not have come together.

Thank you triallogs!!!!!

Together the free world can exist again. Those posters here who hate freedom, are pretenders and that is why they lie to others as they dispurse their brand of LEGISLATIVE DEMOCRACY (calling it freedom) aroud the the world through, as Condi Rice said, "The BARREL OF A GUN."

By Anonymous cj, at 10/17/2005 6:24 AM  

John Vories lost horizon said...
Do you wipe his ass too?

MO, but I know you have had too many dicks up yours.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 6:53 AM  

Anybody who is FULLY INFORMED will view the allegations of Cindy Neun's 90+ page palimony petition where the "real" Irwin Schiff is exposed (hint: He is not the kindly grandfather that he acts like in the courtroom).

Anybody who is FULLY INFORMED should also take into account the materials at and that:

Schiff clients who have been criminally prosecuted aren't hard to find...

United States v. Middleton, 246 F.3d 825 (6th Cir. 2001)
United States v. Dentice, No. 99-50101 (9th Cir. Oct. 6, 1999)
United States v. Payne, 978 F.2d 1177 (10th Cir. 1992)
United States v. Burdett, 962 F.2d 228 (2d Cri. 1992)
United States v. Mosel, 738 F.2d 157 (6th Cir. 1984)
United States v. Crosson, No. 95-176 (E.D. Pa. Dec. 21, 1995)
United States v. Anderson, 637 F. Supp. 1106 (D. Conn. 1986)
A new one for you: United States v. David G. Pflum, 2005 TNT 196-13, No. 04-3508 (10th Cir. 10/7/2005), aff'ng No. 04-CR-40008-SAC (U.S.D.C. Kan.). The opinion is about instructions on "willfulness" and objections to certain testimony on tax rates, not too interesting. The opinion begins:

10th Cir. wrote:
Benjamin Franklin famously quipped that "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Jean-Baptiste Le Roy (Nov. 13, 1789), in 10 The Writings of Benjamin Franklin 69 (A. Smyth ed. 1907). While not contesting the inevitability of the former (as far as we know), David G. Pflum believed he had found a loophole to escape the latter. After an extensive study that included reading books such as "The Great Income Tax Hoax" and "How Anyone Can Stop Paying Income Taxes," he stopped paying taxes.1

[Footnote]1 We note that the author of these books, Irwin Schiff, has maintained for more than 30 years that income taxes are voluntary, but, not surprisingly, "he has never been successful with that theory in court." United States v. Schiff, 379 F.3d 621, 623 (9th Cir. 2004) (citing cases in which Schiff's arguments have been rejected); Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460, 467 (8th Cir. 1985) (referring to the "blatant nonsense" promoted by Schiff).

The 10th Circuit affirmed Pflum's conviction on eight counts of failure to pay quarterly employment taxes, in violation of 26 U.S.C. § 7202, and three counts of failure to file a federal income tax return, in violation of 26 U.S.C. § 7203, as well as his sentence of 30 months in prison.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 8:34 AM  

Send your complaints and questions about Dawson here:

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/17/2005 8:42 AM  

Ben Franklin did NOT say "INCOME" taxes YET YOU, typical of the "quartlow's," will Imply that in your MISUSE of his word.



“income tax” is a tax placed upon a privilege and YOU have not correctly identified the privilege or your status YET YOU post filth about Ben Franklin wanting others to believe it true.

Tax, such as those WHEN BEN FRANKLIN LIVED was Constitutionally correct for America and Americans. Today, we pay our property tax, which is uniform and follows the taxing clauses of the Constitution and since a Poll Tax or a direct tax has not been imposed (READ CRS you SILLY BOY OR GIRL) we don’t pay the poll tax as the income tax is not a poll tax.

The tax you so adore is nothing but a privilege tax imposed upon Federal Employees and Resident Aliens and those having “effectively connected income” to the Federal State. They treat Americans, as though we were resident aliens or Federal Employees, now that is the REAL ISSUE HERE! Why do they do that? Answer the question or continue to prove yourself and Quatloos as name callers of the worst type, the unknowing!

Everyone knows that damn cases you site. The correction comes to us all because of them.

The day you recognize what I just said may be the day you die and then it’s too late! CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/17/2005 8:47 AM  

What next from Quartlows...because Ben Franklin flew a kite he also proposed the Private Federal Debt be over $8 trillion?

If your not part of the SOLUTION, than your part of the PROBLEM. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/17/2005 8:50 AM  

About the only think Judge Dawson needs to read is Alma 10:12-32. His own religion would convict him on that passage alone.

Alma 10

By Anonymous interested party, at 10/17/2005 8:51 AM  

Oops. The above post contains a link to Alma 4 not Alma 10. Here is the correct link:

Alma 10

By Anonymous interested party, at 10/17/2005 8:53 AM  

Reference the dick up my ass - I promised dougie that those sessions would be just between us. How dare you air it in public. You brat!

By Anonymous John Vories lost horizon, at 10/17/2005 9:07 AM  

Moderator! Bring your mop!

By Blogger Jamie, at 10/21/2005 1:03 AM