Friday, October 21, 2005

Irwin Schiff Trial Coverage by Freedom Law School (Segment 5 of 5)

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Tax Analyst reports:
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SUES TO HALT ALLEGED INTERNET TAX-FRAUD SCAM

October 20, 2005

South Carolina Man Allegedly Sells Fraudulent
"Untaxing Packet" Nationwide

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Justice Department announced today that it has asked a South Carolina federal court to stop Robert B. Clarkson, of Anderson, South Carolina, from selling alleged tax-fraud scams. The government's civil injunction complaint, filed in Greenville, alleges that Clarkson uses the Internet to sell materials containing instructions and tactics to help customers illegally evade federal taxes. The complaint also seeks a court order requiring Clarkson to provide the government his customers' names, mailing and e-mail addresses, and telephone and Social Security numbers.
The complaint alleges that Clarkson is a disbarred attorney who has twice been convicted of federal tax-related crimes. Operating under name "the Patriot Network," Clarkson allegedly sells through a website he operates several how-to guides on illegally evading federal taxes, charging $55 to $300 per guide. One guide, the "Un-taxing Packet," allegedly contains form letters to government officials that customers are falsely told can be used to remove any liability they have to pay taxes. Clarkson also allegedly uses a website to advise his customers to obstruct IRS investigations.

"Any plan purporting to eliminate your obligations under the tax laws is a scam," said Eileen J. O'Connor, Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department's Tax Division. "The Department of Justice and the Internal Revenue Service are working vigorously to stop the promotion of tax fraud."

This injunction suit is part of an effort to stop the promotion of tax scams and the preparation and filing of false and fraudulent returns. The Justice Department has obtained injunctions against more than 100 promoters and tax preparers since 2001. More information about the Justice Department's efforts against tax-scam promoters can be found at http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/taxpress2005.htm. Information about the Justice Department's Tax Division can be found at http://www.usdoj.gov/tax.

By Anonymous John Vories lost horizon, at 10/21/2005 2:52 AM  

An interesting & revealing article by William Cooper on the IRS is an excellent read.

"We have been betrayed by those we trusted. We have been robbed of our money and property. It happened because we trusted imperfect men to rule imperfect men, and we failed in our duty as watchdogs. It happened because we have been ignorant, apathetic, and even stupid." - William Cooper

The page reveals things such as:

* IRS is a private corp run out of Puerto Rico

* Bureau of Internal Revenue & IRS appear to be trusts administered by the Secretary of the Treasury (the Trustee)

* IRS actively provides bribes & payoff money to Attorneys, Federal Judges, CPA's, the President of the United States, members of Congress, H&R Block, etc.

* the BATF = IRS

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*snip*
Investigation of the alleged Internal Revenue Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has disclosed a broad, premeditated conspiracy to defraud the Citizens of the United States of America.

Examination of the United States Code, the Code of Federal Regulations, the Statutes at Large, Congressional Record, the Federal Register, and Internal Revenue manuals too numerous to list, reveals a crime of such magnitude that words cannot adequately describe the betrayal of the American people.

What we uncovered has clearly been designed to circumvent the limitations of the Constitution for the United States of America.
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FYI, Bill Cooper was killed by the government under suspicious circumstances.


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By Anonymous notepad, at 10/21/2005 4:11 AM  

to Notepad,
you have provided some great sources of information for everyone especially "William Cooper on the IRS". And, you are right - the "Code" is not the law. But, it is important that folks not become confused. Law is made in steps, and it depends on where you start as to how close to law you are.

If we reasonably start with the Constitution as "law", then Statutes at Large follow. Are they law? Well, yes IF they violate no provision of the Constitution. And, as we know, many of them do violate the Constitution and hace been ruled as unconstitutional.

As Congress continued to pass more and more bills into law (Acts of Congress), and as those Acts became more and more convoluted with various provisions and illegal pork, it became difficult for people to know what in fact was "the law". That is when the concept of codifying the law was created. This was the birth of "the Code". To codify only means: "to arrange in a systematic form". So the Statutes at large were dissected and parsed (by staff members) so as to "arrange in a systematic form" the various provisions and pork for "easy" reference. Were these Statutes dissected and parsed properly? If they were constitutional prior to the dissection and parsing, were they still constitutional? Were no mistakes made? Who knows?

Today, the Congress, consisting NOT of representatives of the people, but rather employees of the US corporation (although they may still be selected by the people) don't even bother to pass bills into law (Statutes at large), they merely pass bills to modify the "Code"!!! And, they call it "law". This is another step removed from real "law".

It gets worse. The executive department must execute the "law". It need interpretations and procedures. Hence, the Code of Federal Regulations. It contains three types of regulations: legislative, procedural and interpretive. Only the "legislative" regulations can even be assumed to be lawful. As as I have shown, even the "Code" is open to question, and if the CFR is created from the Code, and it contains non-legislative elements such as interpretive and procedural elements, aren't we moved further from law?

It doesn't end there; that only accounts for the legislative and executive branches. Now come the elite judicial branch that disdains legislative law and adores "case law". Now we have the courts putting their spin on the meaning of the law, and by way of stare decisis (precedent) they project their faulty interpretations far into the future.

So, who know what the law is, really?

By Anonymous hank, at 10/21/2005 9:16 AM  

This blog site was set up for patriots to demonstrate support for Mr. Schiff et all, learn about ways to fight the IRS and handle yourself in a federal courtroom to get the law admitted. However, it has diminished into mostly people preaching the Bible and morons writing garbage and hatred for the very people this site was designed for. Sifting through those endless yammerings is time consuming and fruitless. So, if you fit in the Holy Roller or hate mongering class give us a break and spout your idiocy at “Bible Beaters and Morons R us.US.net.”
New pictures of Judge Dawson can be found at;
http://helliseterna3.blogspot.com

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/21/2005 9:59 AM  

The Constitutionalist said...
This blog site was set up for patriots to demonstrate support for Mr. Schiff et all, learn about ways to fight the IRS and handle yourself in a federal courtroom to get the law admitted. However, it has diminished into mostly people preaching the Bible and morons writing garbage and hatred for the very people this site was designed for. Sifting through those endless yammerings is time consuming and fruitless. So, if you fit in the Holy Roller or hate mongering class give us a break and spout your idiocy at “Bible Beaters and Morons R us.US.net.”
New pictures of Judge Dawson can be found at;
http://helliseterna3.blogspot.com

10/21/2005 10:59 AM
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The pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?

How are your hate filled posts any different?

You might try actually posting something of value, like a plan for accomplishing your goals.

HA!

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/21/2005 10:03 AM  

The Constitutionalist said...
This blog site was set up for patriots to demonstrate support for Mr. Schiff et all, learn about ways to fight the IRS and handle yourself in a federal courtroom to get the law admitted. However, it has diminished into mostly people preaching the Bible and morons writing garbage and hatred for the very people this site was designed for. Sifting through those endless yammerings is time consuming and fruitless. So, if you fit in the Holy Roller or hate mongering class give us a break and spout your idiocy at “Bible Beaters and Morons R us.US.net.”
New pictures of Judge Dawson can be found at;
http://helliseterna3.blogspot.com

10/21/2005 10:59 AM
*******************************

The pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?

How are your hate filled posts any different?

You might try actually posting something of value, like a plan for accomplishing your goals.

HA!

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/21/2005 10:04 AM  

You might try actually posting something of value, like a plan for accomplishing your goals.
Let’s be open and tell the enemy how we are going to counter their tyrant ways. I think not we need to form our own secret society and start a course of action. As long as ours is founded on principles of our creator we will win. Good will always win over evil in the end. The final outcome will be victory for the righteous.

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 10:14 AM  

First,however is taking pictures, I wish they could either hold the camera still, or find a still moment. Trying to see through the blurs, blurs my eyes.

Second, the trial jurors have 3 days off ? Although the IRS has profiled each of the jurors long before opening arguments (IRS Strategic Plan of 1985), it certainly appears that the defense has ligitimate concerns involving their whereabouts.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 10:46 AM  

New to the board?

I have already given my plan. But for you, I repeat:

Vote for candidates that will reduce the size of government and lower taxes.

Learn and share solutions with people that will provide private sector solutions to what society wants vs. government solutions.

There are others, such as becoming active in the community, letters to the editor, etc.

The important thing is that all of this is through LEGAL means. Since you are new, you don't know that I am a libertarian. My main beef with the TP's here is the ignorance and lack of common sense. Continuing to argue discredited frivolous arguments is a fools errand.

No TP has any idea how to legally eliminate the personal income tax and even if it magically happened, they don't know how to deal with the budgetary issues of 43% of Federal revenue dissapearing. Replacing the personal income tax with higher corporate taxes or a VAT or sales tax does not do anything to decrease the overall tax burden.

Where is your plan, folks?

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/21/2005 10:54 AM  

Could It Be? Hmmmm.....

Could it be that certain cpa´s eat from the same table as the IRS and profit from the perpetuation of the fraud against the American people by the IRS/Federal Mafia? Hmmmmmm!! Maybe that´s why certain cpas´ lash out against our Tax Honesty leader, Mr Irwin Schiff with such vehemence!! What is interesting about Mr Irwin Schiffs´ case is how Federal Judge Kent J. Dawson refused the request of the jurors to see co-defendant Cindy Neuns´ tattered and marked up Internal Revenue Code Book, along with a clean copy of the IR Code Book. Why is that? Judge Dawson stated that this would be problematic. I Bet!! The jurors would then be able to verify who is telling the truth about what the law says. But, alas, us average American citizens may become confused by the law though we all are supposed to know what the law is. What bravery the defendants and their witnesses have shown in their fight for the truth. Did you know that the witnesses for the defense were all mirandized to further intimidate them from telling the truth? No witnesses for the prosecution were mirandized. The prosecution witnesses risked nothing with their testimonies whereas the defense witnesses risked much. The governments own psychologist says Irwin Schiff believes he is not liable for the federal income tax. He also believes most of us Americans aren´t.

Judge Dawson refused to let the government psychologist testify during the trial.

The government´s own psychologist´s testimony would have totally demolished any suggestion of willfulness.

Mr Jeff Quinn continues to attempt to smear Mr Irwin Schiff by referring to him as a tax nut. Mr Quinns´ opinion holds no weight with anyone who knows Mr Schiff or has truly studied what he has shown to be the truth about income taxes and the federal mafia.
Thank You, Charles Baker New Mexico

Rebuttal to the North Lake Tahoe Bonanza smear piece 2 by Mr Jeff Quinn, cpa

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 11:30 AM  

Hark!

According to The Constitutionalist; all we are required to do is tell the IRS that we are NOT going to pay our taxes! WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION!

We have NEVER gone to war without knowing who the enemy was, and in detail. And what I have heard is by knowing their weaknesses. How can you know that unless you research to the extent on what those weaknesses are?

According to The Constitutionalist, we are NEVER to go below the surface of the water to see the 90% of an iceberg, or the IRS and Judge Dawson! It is a waist of time!

As soon has Schiff is convicted, are we to be convinced that it is true that we are to pay the income tax?

1963, President LBJ recalls ALL U.S. Treasury Notes; so therefore Americans are to believe that Federal Reserve Notes are legitimate!

1952, Senator LBJ authors Section 501 of the Code; so therefore Americans are to believe that churches are required to be 501(C)(3) corporations!

1942, the Victory Tax Act was passed; so therefore Americans are to believe that the payment of the ‘income’ tax is required!

1913, the Federal Reserve Act was passed; so therefore Americans are to believe that the printing of these Notes is just a consolidation of ALL currency!

1913, the 16th Amendment was certified as being ratified; so therefore Americans are to believe that the ‘income’ tax is now Constitutional!

It wasn’t till 1942 that the IRS expanded enormously as to handle all the returns that Americans sent in. Why not back in 1913? Why not back in 1864 when the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue was created?

The TRUTH is the Constitution has been violated and unless you know how then I guess you cannot complain!!!

Bill Benson came out with the TRUTH on the 16th Amendment!

Irwin Schiff came out with the TRUTH on the illegal ‘income’ tax!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/21/2005 12:24 PM  

First: I sure hope that Reasonable Guy has learned, from this point on, to read the entire question and then act to answer the exact question and not a fictitious made -up question as he attempted in order to avoid and to traverse the issue with regard to the definition of a U.S. CITIZEN. I posted the correct answer "reasonable" did not! Heck, he didn’t even post the correct question! Did you "reasonable" happen to read and grasp the correct answer to the exact question? Don’t do what the government, judge and prosecution do and expect to Get Away with it here! If I happen to see it, I’ll catch it.

Second: While "reasonable" continues to say he is a libertarian, I also have followed that path for over 20 years therefore party affiliation doesn’t really mean anything for individuals within parties differ dramatically. You are not a better libertarian than anyone else and by virtue of you implying that you are does not make you correct or someone else wrong, silly, dumb or ineffective or frivilous.

While r"easonable guy" will most often seems unreasonable I direct he and everyone to the below:

* In 1946, Beardsley Rumi - then Governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of NYC, told the truth in a speech titled "Taxes For Revenue Are Obsolete".

Mr. Ruml explained that, since a government can easily print all the paper money it needs, in any amount, and therefore does not need to tax anyone, “an income tax is maintained to siphon excess paper out of circulation, to stabilize the purchasing power of paper money (i.e., regulate inflation) and prevent the hyperinflation that would ordinarily result from printing too much paper!”

Now you know just one (1) truth behind the 'income tax'. [It is directly linked to the phony money. Gee Whiz, were not the improperly worded 16th amendment and the Fed. Reserve instituted at near the same time? Yet, not one American in a million heard Mr. Rumi's speech, and some on this site will REFUSE to GRASP the meaning and understand it!]

Reducing the size of government, as it stands, will not and cannot do much of anything to resolve the problem! We have all heard the false promises. The president is not running the show. I posted Robt. Reichs quote from the Clinton administration wherein he clearly said, the show is run by Alan Greenspan. All foreign and domestic issues! So to vote in a potential “do – gooder” means didily squat.

The problem is deeper, more complex and more nefarious than the well schooled, but poorly educated think.


*** Of Most Importance – Excellent Post there Hank @ 10:16 am. If more people had the openness of mind to obtain the understanding you conveyed we wouldn’t be in this MESS! CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 12:57 PM  

"You might try actually posting something of value, like a plan for accomplishing your goals.
Let’s be open and tell the enemy how we are going to counter their tyrant ways. I think not we need to form our own secret society and start a course of action. As long as ours is founded on principles of our creator we will win. Good will always win over evil in the end. The final outcome will be victory for the righteous.

John


This from someone who posted this:
Frank You have done too much fudge packing and it has damaged your brain if you ever had one.

John


What a maroon you are Vories.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/21/2005 12:57 PM  

AND there is a whole lot more truth and fact that Non-liable didn't post and he is learning about it everyday. Thanks non-liable. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 12:58 PM  

I think we have established most of you are well meaning. However, while the tracking of chips in your automobile, credit cards and driver license, the new World Order, data on tabulation of votes and Christian beliefs may be interesting and of concern to some, the taking up space in this particular forum with comments on that type is NON-PRODURTIVE and an unnecessary distraction.
I realize it is hard to find people to vent your concerns and beliefs to BUT THIS IS NOT THAT PLACE.
Do Mr. Schiff and the bloggers who are concerned with things about the trial, the IRS, court procedures or the laws dealing with same a favor and limit your posts to those issues.

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/21/2005 1:18 PM  

Mr. Constitutionalist,

I guess this is how you want it;

Mr. Schiff: “Am I liable for the Income Tax?”

IRS Agent: “Yes!”

Mr. Schiff: “Where is the Law?”

Judge Dawson: “I am the LAW!!!”

Mr. Schiff: “Thank You!, I rest my case!”

NO details and NO research to what the truth is!

You have NOT read into the details of my research as to what is LAW and how it came about!

If we are Liable for the tax only after 1942, then what is the LAW that’s states so?

Well, it is the 63 year old Victory Tax that was repealed in 1944!

But, what I read from you is that it is OLD stuff just like obsolete Supreme Court decisions, more than 25 years old.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/21/2005 1:32 PM  

reasonable guy said..
No TP has any idea how to legally eliminate the personal income tax...... The important thing is that all of this is through LEGAL means........ DID YOU SAY LEGAL????? HA!!funny....

By Blogger lifetimenonfiler, at 10/21/2005 1:34 PM  

everyone is here watching Irwin get his constitutional right ripped to shreds a you got nerve typing the words LEGAL??

By Blogger lifetimenonfiler, at 10/21/2005 1:37 PM  

The trial I am reading of is about a deluded man who is being called to justice for advocating discredited frivolous arguments to cheat the personal income tax and profiting from gullible people who paid hard earned money for his nonesense.

You may choose to see whatever you want, including a six foot rabbit, but that is not reality.

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/21/2005 1:45 PM  

Mr. Constitutionalist,

I guess knowing the fact that Judge Dawson is a Mormon and a Freemason is irrelevant!

I guess knowing that news of the fact that anyone using cash rather than a RFID chip implanted credit card is irrelevant, to point that you must have received the CASH from sources in which was NOT reported to pay the ‘income’ tax!

I guess knowing the fact that the unconstitutional Federal Reserve Notes that we all use are NOT owned by the Federal government, but by a private Nevada corporation is irrelevant!

I guess knowing what LAW makes us ‘Liable’ is irrelevant!

By Anonymous non-laible, at 10/21/2005 1:53 PM  

- Reasonable Guy will ALWAYS seek to point out the sliver in anothers eye while failing to address the log within his own.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 1:57 PM  

To non-liable;
What I would like is if you or any one else have nothing productive to say, i.e. your last post, then say nothing at all

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/21/2005 1:58 PM  

Simple Outline: Either prove it false or agree it is correct. If you cannot prove it false than shut up with the fallacious garbage that is contrary to the below. There is your challenge. What say you?

1. The income tax is NOT a tax upon income; it IS a tax upon a privilege/franchise with the amount being measured by the income. (this, by the way, coincides with Irwin’s definition that “income” means a corporate profit) The tax is upon a corporate franchise and the tax is measured by the income and profits accounting!

2. The tax, upon the privilege is constitutional and legal, for it passes the muster of the excise tax limitations, which also proves the income tax is not a direct tax.

3. If you were born in the states of the union, you were not born a U.S. CITIZEN.

4. That applying for the Social Security Number was/is 100% Voluntary for those born in one of the union states.

5. That applying for and receiving a SS # is mandatory, prior to work event, for an alien.

6. That the Social Security number is also a Tax Payer Identification number and the IRS uses this number for tax purposes.

7. That ones citizenship is elected by the individual and is not and cannot be mandated.

8. That once you elect to operate in the capacity of a US CITIZEN, you are under contract, so to speak to abide by all the rules and regulations and laws.

9. That the only absolute right a US CITIZEN has is the right of residence.

10. That US CITIZEN is defined as one who is born in the insular areas.

11. That as a person born in the insular area and comes to the union states to work must apply for and receive a SS card and tax number prior to their first work event and must pay taxes based upon their income earned because it is a privilege, for an alien, to be granted the opportunity to work within and collect income within one of the union states.

12. That all government documents, wherein one has also supplied a SS/Tax number the name is in all capital letters.

13. That this all capital letter name is not a strawman but a legal fiction likened to a corporation or franchise.

14. That by electing to place oneself in the same manner and status, as would an alien, an American has effectively altered his or her birthright status to that of lesser status.

15. That the constitution does not grant people of foreign lands the same exact rights as it does free born, within one of the union states, Americans.

16. That the income tax is imposed upon the privilege and by electing to be a US CITIZEN and receive the privilege you have made yourself liable to pay the tax.

17. That if you do not pay the tax you are in breech of the contract/agreement and it rules and regulations that you voluntarily agreed to.

18. That is was not disclosed to you, in any manner prior to the privacy act of 1975 the nature of the act and that is altered your status.

19. That if YOU had known you would not have given up your birth right for that of a lesser right or status.

20. That you were tricked or defrauded into signing and forever altering your status.

21. That there is an administrative remedy for there has to be. (I think I’ve got it)

22. That the SS # is not the only act that can bind one to contract and remove ones rights.

23. That the use of, without disclaimer, Federal Notes can also bind one to a contract and privilege giving up his or her rights.
The LAW here is the Law of Merchants and no judge will disclose that!


OK there’s more…Now either let's get together with the picture, follow the events and facts, learn and offer more OR argue a bunch of drivel and fight amongst ourselves finding nothing but more sorrow whether you pay/file or not! CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 2:01 PM  

"Replacing the personal income tax with higher corporate taxes or a VAT or sales tax does not do anything to decrease the overall tax burden."

While it may not decrease the overall tax burden. The FairTax would make it fair. Just because I busted my ass for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for the first 6 months of the year, doesn't justify the IRS stealing 6 figures of my money. No one from the government was helping me get the work done. The FairTax would at least let me decide when I wanted to pay taxes and when I didn't. If you have not hear of it.,......www.fairtax.org.

Personally I think we should be spending our time, money, and effort trying to change the system instead of beating it.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 2:09 PM  

The REASON the JUDGE and the PROSECUTERS do what they do IN ALL TAX CASES, is because THEY CAN! The Reason most convictions never get overturned is because the convicted doesn't have the Standing/Status to argue or question, for the main questions are always:
1. Do you have a SS #? (entered into the case)
2. Did you pay the tax?

If you didn't pay, you are in Breech of contract and now Contract Law applies not Constitutional for the Constitution allows for us all to enter into contracts and agreements.

Our question is: were the terms and conditions disclosed when we entered into the alleged agreement?

Respectfully submitted for your consideration, CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 2:22 PM  

On the face of the SS card it reads:
"For Social Security and TAX purposes - Not for identification.

Newer cards go on to say that the card doesn't belong to YOU,(the person whose name appears) but belongs to the Agency! hmmmm

CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 2:32 PM  

Ignorance of the law is no excuse or a reason to not abide by it. But yet the jury doesn't want to be ignorant and do want to abide by it, so they can make a proper decision . . . AND WHAT HAPPENS?
Of course Dawson(I refuse to call him a judge. Judges get respect and I have none for this man.) does not abide by the law . . .maybe because he is ignorant.
He has violated the law by not giving Irwin the opportunity to defend himself completely. Whether he is innocent or guilty . . . he has that right, IT IS THE LAW!! So Dawson has broken the law in many ways.
Next, what concerns me now is that he purposely set the jury off with an extra day. Maybe he's hoping they will go and get an IRS code book and review it . . . so he then can release the jury next week for going against HIS ruling. I wouldn't put it past this demon for a second. OPINIONS PLEASE. Not foolish propaganda from some of you with your own agendas . . . but opinions based on the laws we do know exist about the way a court and trial are supposed to be ran.

TFJ

By Anonymous Truth For Justice, at 10/21/2005 2:56 PM  

The TRUTH about Irwin Schiff:

http://www.ottoskinner.com/a-liar.html

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 3:11 PM  

Anonymous said...
The TRUTH about Irwin Schiff:

http://www.ottoskinner.com/a-liar.html

NO, this is Otto's Personal Opinion of Irwin based upon Otto's personal perceptions and understandings.

One can find negatives about Otto as well.

Heck, these threads are loaded with all kinds of negative opinions of others and hate and emotions and ALL OF WHICH SERVES NO PURPOSE but to HELP THE COLECTIVE ENEMY WIN!!!!!!!!
dah CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 3:22 PM  

p.s. Irwin has his opinion of Otto...

"The Biggest Error How We are Fleecing Ourselves"

We don't work hard enough to come to agreement based upon fact. We faction up based upon emotion and belief. That is worse than "The Biggest Con" CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 3:25 PM  

So, if we accepted the SSN voluntarily, why has the government said it was mandatory, and most employers refuse to hire you unless you have one?

Shall we accept the FRAUD and the government’s explanation of it, but is it too late to change it?

I guess it is like the military, if you cross the line to volunteer then it is too late, regardless if the government perpetrated FRAUD on you!

Who is NOT liable for the ‘income’ tax to which you could claim EXEMPT on the Form W-4?

I found in Section 7701 that the withholding agent can only withhold for NON-RESIDENT ALIENS!

But that comes around to the point of; Are WE, that have a SSN and do NOT reside in the District of Columbia or the U.S. territories, considered NON-RESIDENT ALIENS for which they can tax us?

To solve ALL your problems, ASK QUESTIONS till the government gives in! You answer a question with a question! NEVER ANSWER with a statement! Be on the defensive, NOT offensive!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/21/2005 4:04 PM  

We're so busy trying to keep the wolf away from the door we can't see the obvious. We can't see the road blocks set up, harassing "we the people" into more and more subjection and trying to keep us brow-beaten so badly we'll kiss their ring, regardless of what finger they choose to wear it on. FP

By Anonymous FP, at 10/21/2005 4:08 PM  

Read this from Joe Banister:

FREEDOM ABOVE FORTUNE NEWS

Dear Friends:

I wanted to alert you to a significant event that has manifested itself in the Irwin Schiff/Cynthia Neun/Lawrence Cohen trial currently underway in Las Vegas. In a development reminiscent of my own trial, the jury has apparently asked to have Cindy Neun's IRS code book brought in to them so that they could examine it. The judge as apparently denied this request saying that providing it to the jury would be "problematic".

On the first day of the jury’s deliberations in my trial, the prosecution s worst nightmare came true when the jury asked to see for themselves a year 2000 edition of the Title 26 of the Code of Federal Regulations (Title 26 of the Code of Federal Regulations is a compendium of rules created by the Secretary of the Treasury to clarify and implement the Internal Revenue Code). As one of the jurors explained to me after my trial, the jury wanted to compare the excerpts I had taken from the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) and presented to the Internal Revenue Service against what was actually written in the Code of Federal Regulations to see if I had been truthful. The judge in my trial, William B. Shubb, refused the jury’s request to see the CFR for themselves just as Judge Dawson has apparently refused to let the Schiff jury see the Internal Revenue Code. Juror’s suspicions about the prosecution’s case are understandably heightened when they are forbidden from looking at the very book of laws that the defendant is accused of violating.

The latest news on the Schiff/Neun/Cohen trial is available at the following websites:

http://www.irwinschiff.blogspot.com/

http://triallogs.blogspot.com/

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/21/2005 4:24 PM  

Non-liable, my friend said: "So, if we accepted the SSN voluntarily, why has the government said it was mandatory, and most employers refuse to hire you unless you have one?"

My answer: IT is NOT Mandatory and the printed word does not say it is mandatory unless you are alien. It says that you MAY not be able to be an "employee" without it. WHY? Because most all business have signed up for it and they are "employers" and have surrendered their rights as well!

I agree that fraud is a part of it, no doubt. AND NO we should not accept it, that is why I sent you the word document that contains the administrative remedy.


How can a free born American be taxed? Only when it conforms to the limitations of the Constitution.

How can a franchise with effectively connected income be taxed? As per title 26.

Why is title 26 NOT Positive Law?
It applies to those it applies to and positive law applies to those it applies to.

CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/21/2005 4:37 PM  

We've got nothing to hide!

You can't handle the truth!

You can't understand the law, only I, the judge can. The defendant doesn't know the law, the prosecuters don't know the law, the jury doesn't know and can't understand the law, only I, the judge, have the perfected qualities to understand and know the law!

But remember, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

By Anonymous gd, at 10/21/2005 4:41 PM  

cj - you are an excellent judge of character. we should talk. I may need a good character witness some time in the future.:-]

By Anonymous hank, at 10/21/2005 5:44 PM  

There is so much information here but preaching to the choir.

Anyone in this group know how to do a massive email campaign before they shut down the internet...let's do it!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 6:06 PM  

"what can I sell you" - Peymon

Already trying to scam customers from my dear sweet ervin. Vultures and idiots.

By Anonymous Angela Stark, at 10/21/2005 6:26 PM  

If you all do not recognize who reasonable GUY is, it is J.J. McNabb of Quatloos.

It is a SHE, not a he. Of course SHE has to delude everyone into thinking that SHE is a he, because she does not want people to know who is really behind the keyboard.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 8:41 PM  

I've read a lot of bull and some very intelligent comments today. I can say in all fairness, that some of you are advertising your ignorance on a public forum and that is shameful. Reasonable Man, you need to go to the Disney site. It's obvious you have done very little active research, or, as someone said, you make your living from the gullible who believe it is a duty to pay Ceasar a tax on the fruits of their labor. Shame on you, Long Live Irwin Schiff. Hail Victory, Hotel Charlie

By Blogger Yankee Welder, at 10/21/2005 8:44 PM  

The TRUTH, the WHOLE TRUTH, and nothing but the TRUTH about Irwin Schiff at http://www.quatlosers.com/irwin_schiff.htm

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 10:09 PM  

The opinion and nothing but the opinion of Irwin Schiff

The truth lies somewhere that the above doesn't know.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/21/2005 10:41 PM  

Even if Schiff is found not guilty it means nothing. All charges against Schiff are for WILLFUL.

So he would be found not guitly of Willfully Evaiding, Willfully Aiding, Willfully filing, Willfully not filing, Willfully failing to pay.

Such a ruling in no way shape or form says he is found not liable for or required to pay.

But Schiff and the so called tax patriots will do the same thing and praise such as the have done with the irrelevant rulings in Kuglin and Bannister.

By Anonymous Ischiffbs, at 10/21/2005 11:00 PM  

If you all do not recognize who reasonable GUY is, it is J.J. McNabb of Quatloos.

It is a SHE, not a he. Of course SHE has to delude everyone into thinking that SHE is a he, because she does not want people to know who is really behind the keyboard.


Were J.J. to waste her time with you knuckle dragging brain dead morons, she would identify herself when she did so. Unlike "CJ" and "Hank" and "notepad" and the other names that the idiots use instead of their own.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/21/2005 11:20 PM  

Well, is WILLFUL the knowing of NOT paying a tax for which the government believes you are to pay, but you took actions to the opposite?

Then there is NO such thing as involuntarily committing a crime, as everything is WILLFUL for the actions taken, the government or accuser believed you knew what MIGHT happen! You willfully took actions, as you did by writing on this blog, but if it involves someone else then you may have just committed a crime.

For those that want me to identify myself, I will not at this time. I have spent the last 4 ½ years following Schiff, Benson, Banister, Schulz, and others, but I am not prepared to give my name out. If you want to find it is on ‘We The People’s’ lawsuit list of plaintiff names. I am presently seeking guidance for a lawsuit myself against an employer, and any mention of who I am with what I have said here could be used against me. I don’t think it would have any effect, but you know how the government works and how they associate different persons involved in criminal behavior. I might find myself as a roommate of Schiff’s if the government gets their way.

If you put the pieces of the puzzle together then, YOU ARE A SLAVE, there is NO Constitution, and the government owns you!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/22/2005 12:15 AM  

Really Frank?

Why continue to lie for the lady (I use that term loosley) You know for a fact that she has many many fronts and alieses she uses to infiltrate and "SPY" on people.

You do not have to lie for her frank, she does enough lying for herself.

And you call everyone else a knuckledragger? Why not use POT KETTLE BLACK, which she is so fond of using and her LIBERTARIAN ways.

People know how to read and Quatloos is an open forum too. Quit sending the minions down here to mix things up.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/22/2005 1:12 AM  

History repeats history. Years ago ordinary people were not allowed to
read the Bible. Only the Priests were allowed to read it and trans-
late it to the people. We now have the IRC which seems to be under-
stood only by the IRS, Lawyers and judges. They think their the only ones who can interpret the meaning of it to ordinary people like me. In desperation their telling the jury they can,t have the IRC. If the jury read the IRC like I have they would see the truth. They would also see the deception and the lies the government and lawyers have been telling the people for the last 70 or 80 years. Their proving the Bible right when it says when a man thinks he,s wise in his wisdom he becomes foolish. We are now seeing just how foolish our congress-
members, judges and lawyers are. When one builds a house you start out building a good foundation. The government when passing tax laws dealing with income taxes are only buildig walls and ceilings which seems to be falling down around them because they forgot to lay a good foundation or they didn,t know how to lay a founda-
tion. They just started building with hope that the IRS, Lawyers and Judges would hold up the walls and ceilings. I Travis stand be-
side Mr. Schiff. Judge show us the foundation (law) or tear down this building. In other words set us free. TS

By Anonymous Travis, at 10/22/2005 2:47 AM  

cj: Do I understand you correctly ther is an administrative remedy for NON-LIABLES question at 5:37 about hiring? Can you please send me the same word document? I would really appreciate it. R i Oregon

By Anonymous Rich in Oregon, at 10/22/2005 6:36 AM  

Really Frank?

Really... anonymous

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/22/2005 8:45 AM  

Rich in Oregon
When clicking on the blue name, it doesn't link anywhere for me to email.

There is always a remedy. Providing the remedy makes it all legal you see. Even though you were tricked, you should have know and besides, what harm is done; there was always a remedy available to fix your error.

Depending on the subject, the remedy is either available or very well hidden, either easy and complete or difficult to access requiring much discovery.

I am not going to announce it here for there are way too many haters of man, woman and children lurking about and would seek to find a way to harm people, from behind them or from behind a computer screen like ghosts of course...CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 8:57 AM  

It Matters NOT who the alleged reasonable guy is or isn't for the individual has proven time and time again "it's" inability to read and comprehend, to stay on point, to understand relative importance and to answer specific questions.

Fact, reasonable guy actaully had to alter a question to pretend to give an answer...but was caught with "it's" pants down.

Wait, part of the above is the definition of I.Q. and reasonable guy has proven "it's" lack thereof.

Just a game player that is only a fun game for those of that ilk. Just another thing out there that hates children, the news is full of them. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 9:07 AM  

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2004
WWW.USDOJ.GOV
TAX
(202) 514-2007
TDD (202) 514-1888

TAX RETURN PREPARER CONVICTED
OF PREPARING FALSE TAX RETURNS
CONCORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE – The United States Attorney for the District of New Hampshire, Tom Colantuono and Eileen J. O’Connor, Assistant Attorney General of the U.S. Department of Justice Tax Division, announce that today, Steven A. Swan, 51, of Manchester, New Hampshire, was convicted of eighteen criminal tax offenses. Specifically, Swan was convicted of fifteen counts of preparing false tax returns and amended returns for others, two counts of preparing false amended tax returns for himself and one count of corruptly impeding the administration of the federal tax laws. During the period in which the crimes were committed, Swan resided, and conducted a tax return preparation service in Auburn, New Hampshire.

Swan was convicted after a six day trial in United States District Court in Concord presided over by United States District Chief Judge Paul J. Barbadoro. The jury deliberated for approximately two hours before returning its verdict. Swan faces a maximum penalty of three years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for each of the eighteen counts. Swan will be sentenced on May 19, 2004.

The evidence at trial established that during the period 1997 through 2002, Swan prepared hundreds of so-called “zero-income” tax returns for clients. On those returns, Swan reported that the clients did not have any income even though he knew that clients had received substantial wages, salaries, and other compensation. The evidence at trial further showed that in 1997, Swan filed two amended returns for himself falsely reporting that he had no income for tax years 1993 and 1994. Those amended returns sought refunds of taxes Swan had paid previously for those years. Finally, the evidence showed that after the Internal Revenue Service initiated collection efforts against him, Swan obstructed the administration of the tax laws through a continuing campaign to harass and intimidate the IRS, its employees and third parties lawfully
complying with IRS collection requests.

Swan testified in his own defense that he was a former disciple of notorious tax protestor, Irwin Schiff. He further testified that based upon Schiff’s teachings and his own research he sincerely believed that there was no law making anyone liable for the federal income tax. Swan also claimed that he believed the federal income tax was unconstitutional, a claim which the Court had already ruled did not constitute a defense to the crimes charged. The government’s evidence established that Swan was fully aware of his legal obligation to file accurate tax returns and pay the taxes that were due.

The evidence established that Swan prepared more than 200 tax returns for others, making false claims for refunds in excess of $1 million dollars. Swan promoted his tax return preparation business by holding seminars entitled, “How Anyone Can LEGALLY Stop Paying Income Taxes” at hotels in Manchester between 1997 and 2002. Swan advertised these seminars in numerous local and regional newspapers. The evidence further demonstrated that Swan encouraged others to file Forms W-4 falsely claiming exempt status to stop the withholding of income taxes. Finally, the evidence showed that Swan initiated numerous frivolous lawsuits and sought the baseless criminal prosecution of IRS collection employees and banks, title companies, and even a recorder of deeds for complying with lawful IRS liens and levies.

United States Attorney Colantuono stated: “This office will continue to vigorously prosecute the promoters of illegal tax scams as well as all fraudulent return preparers. Those who are convicted of willfully violating the federal tax laws can expect to face a prison sentence and substantial fines. Taxpayers should think twice about paying any money to a return preparer who promises them they can legally stop paying income taxes.” For more information about illegal tax schemes, taxpayers should go to www.irs.gov and use the keyword “TAX FRAUD.”

Joseph Galasso, Special Agent-in-Charge of the IRS’s Criminal Investigation division in Boston stated: “Today’s verdict should send a clear message to those drawn to the anti-tax movement’s illusionary claim that there is no legal requirement to pay federal income taxes. All taxpayers are required to follow the law and the law requires accurate reporting and timely payment of any tax due and owing.”

The case was investigated by the Internal Revenue Service’s Criminal Investigation Division. This case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Morse and Jim Chapman, a Trial Attorney with Department of Justice.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/22/2005 9:48 AM  

Does anyone else grow weary of the old news above yet? (2004)

In simple terms - he said the tax was "unconstitutional" well he is wrong, simple as that! So what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Second, it is very clearly worded (second to last paragraph) that all "taxpayers" are required to follow the law...

No shit Sherlock. NOW how do you become a "Taxpayer?" The Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that congress only legislates for the taxpayer and not for the non-taxpayer.

When everyone finally figures out how they became "taxpayers" than everyone can figure out how not to be one, they can go back to where they came from PRIOR to becoming a taxpayer.

Were you born a taxpayer? Were you Mandated by law to pay tax as a baby or child? Something had to happen to Make you a taxpayer in their eyes. There had to be AN ACTION or EVENT that took place and you were transformed into the class of person that has to pay the tax.

Cite the action or event and you win the prize of heading toward becoming a "non-taxpayer" legally. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 9:58 AM  

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2004
WWW.USDOJ.GOV
TAX
(202) 514-2007
TDD (202) 514-1888

TAX RETURN PREPARER CONVICTED
OF PREPARING FALSE TAX RETURNS
CONCORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE


Does anyone have a transcript of this case? I'm sure it would make an interesting case study of our judiciary.

Just so everyone knows, we are working on a companion web site for trial logs that will take in depth looks at these prosecutions with an eye toward prosecutorial and judicial miscontuct.

I'm sure the transcript of the above referenced trial would be worth a look. If anyone has it, please let me know.

By Blogger David Jahn, at 10/22/2005 10:03 AM  

cj said
"When everyone finally figures out how they became "taxpayers" than everyone can figure out how not to be one, they can go back to where they came from PRIOR to becoming a taxpayer."


Cite the action or event and you win the prize of heading toward becoming a "non-taxpayer" legally. CJ
..............When I was 5 years old I opened a lemonade stand and made some money.... So my dad gave me a 1040 ez form with my privacy act notice on it , as well as the IRS note to taxpayors..NOT!.. anyway.. I was only 5 but I could read......IT SAID VOLUNTARY....I was only 5 but I knew what that meant..so I didnt file!!..anyway..years went by and then I came to the age of 18...once again my very cool dad handed me my selective service privacy act notice..NOT!..this new thing I had to do,register for draft,said that I could "go to jail" if I didnt register...so I did!!..anyway.."I think I know!" When you join the military,with voluntary signature, you become a soldier who follows military code or law...and when you fill out a tax return,with voluntary signature,you become a taxpayer who follows IRS code or law......wheres my prize?..

By Blogger lifetimenonfiler, at 10/22/2005 11:46 AM  

Did you "voluntarily" sign up for, as one of the people who were NOT mandated to sign up for, a Social Security Number? Did you read the ACT in its entirety prior to signing the documents? Did the ACT say it was to “raise revenue?” Did this action/event “set up” an account with the IRS? Were only those foreign or as “US CITIZENS” born in the insular possessions required to obtain the tax I.D. number a.k.a. Social Security prior to their first work experience in one of the several union states? Do US CITIZENS born in the insular possessions have the same exact rights as an American born in one of the union states? What did you AGREE TO when signing up for the SS and Tax I.D. number? Does your signature placed upon a document that is has a date and consideration constitute a CONTRACT? Did you sign prior to age of majority therefore your contract is void? Well, guess again, you were given a window of something like 6 months prior and 6 months after your 18th birthday to rescind, did you? Personally I was to busy partying to care! Was it ever disclosed to you that you might be altering your STATUS in the eyes of the government? Did you voluntarily sign and thus must also voluntarily comply (voluntary compliance)?

The above and other questions, when answered with correctness will lead toward the exact nature, cause and subsequent cure!

It's not nonsense unless and untill you read it in its entirety. After that act, you will either head down a road to thought or will revert back to or toward other thoughts having nothing to do with the above.

The above is not the only nexus nor the only prong of the pitch fork we are being stuck with! CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 12:03 PM  

Ha, lifetime non-filer... truly funny in a good sense. Took me a minute, sometimes I am slow...haha

I didn't say I was going to give anyone a prize. Heck, if I did that and someone tried and failed they would claim I welched on the bet and post it all over the world! The prize in itself may not even be a physical prize.

The prize is being able to admit that we did it to ourselves for they cannot do it to us. They (govt.) know that. We had to agree somewhere along the line. The prize is to know what we did to get ourselves into the mess we are in.

The prize is to have a clear enough mind and emotion to see without the barrier of fear, anger, or preconceived idea.

Now that's one heck of a prize! CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 12:12 PM  

An idea in the head can lead to many things.....good or
bad....depending. GD

By Anonymous gd, at 10/22/2005 12:29 PM  

I guess when I was born I got a ss#. my parents thought it was probably "ok" because it was just for social security...I mean..it never said "also can be used as taxpayer id#" and yes,my employer does use my ss# to write me off on his pay roll,but thats just for ss. HEY WAIT A SECOND!!my parents were never told that my social security number could also be used as my taxpayer id#....how the hell did that happen?

By Blogger lifetimenonfiler, at 10/22/2005 12:29 PM  

cj said......
I didn't say I was going to give anyone a prize. Heck, if I did that and someone tried and failed they would claim I welched on the bet and post it all over the world! The prize in itself may not even be a physical prize.
.....................................................I know you didnt offer one, you just pointed to one,I was just lettin you know that I grabbed that prize years ago and will continue to run with it till I die . death..taxes? no thanks,just death please........Iwanna move to New Hampshire just to get one of those licence plates that says "live free or die".

By Blogger lifetimenonfiler, at 10/22/2005 1:04 PM  

Come on CJ, give us a prize! Tell us how to undo this mess.

I get it, we signed up! Now let’s undo it!

I don't want to play in their courts where they make all the rules, I want them go pound sand. Now that’s the sound of pure freedom.

I once read that if your local government passed a rule or code you did not agree with you could go down to the county and have your objection filed as apart of the public record. Then they could not hold you to the rule or code.

How will we run this country with out the income tax? What if we didn't have the IRS with their special investigators and accountants and plush offices how much would we save? What if we didn't have a fat congress with all their pork belly programs and those lobbyists who actually run this country, how much money would we save?

I know an aircraft carrier cost a lot, but instead of 1 billion may be the actual cost would be the actual cost like maybe 100 million.

Maybe if we kept the people in public office from becoming fat cats on capital hill. The only people who would run for office would be the ones who love their country and want to serve us. Hey! We could take turns CJ, I’ll go up their first, and you come in and take over in a year or two.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/22/2005 1:08 PM  

Yes, lifetimenonfiler I was just humored by the levity of the prize and made reference to the posts Irwin walked from paying his prize/bet.

***Now what do the SS instructions say? You must apply for the card PRIOR to your first “Taxable” event. You mean SS is a TAX? But it says FICA I don’t see a “T” in FICA. hmmmm

The application does say that the IRS uses the number for the account you establish with them.

Who needs to establish these accounts?

Since the Samkinen (forgive me if I spelled his name wrong) case in Tx. was posted I think I’ll throw in my 2 cents and to some it’s not worth 2 cents, but to another it may be worth a whole lot more. Dick S. signed up for the SS # presumably as an individual and as an “employer.” He later found out that it was a totally voluntary program for him…problem…he already volunteered. What are the terms and conditions and who was duty bound to sign up, since some are and some are not, and did he then take on the status of one who was duty bound? He agreed to the terms and conditions and it doesn’t matter how one reads or interprets the law, he agreed and then didn’t perform. There are many thoughts and angles, but the above should also be considered when reviewing the case and the law etc…. consider the law of contract. CJ

p.s. I an not saying he wasn't tricked!

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 1:21 PM  

How many of you bothered to read the lengthy blog at 10/21/2005 01:01:00 AM on “Ken Evans Video Presentation - Copyright Your NAME”? I did and I understood most of it, and I do not have a law degree. You may read my comments about it below it too.

You are all asking the questions, but are these the facts from the TRUTH that are similar to Schiff’s facts which people believed?
Can a newborn baby be forced to accept a SSN voluntarily?
Is it their parents that take the responsibility for you volunteering?
Can a person who has turned 18 freely do what they want, or is it because they voluntarily accepted the SSN at birth they cannot?
NEW POLICY! Let the government know that all males must register for the draft when they are born, so the government could have early records of how many males are available!
Voluntary; The government is not there to make sure you comply with the LAW, a judge’s WORD!!!

This brings up a very interesting argument that OUR government has perpetrated FRAUD on us in order for us to give them OUR property without the common man knowing that WE are actually SLAVES! But Irwin was going to present some of the FRAUD by showing the back of a ‘Notice of Levy’ in which paragraph (a) was missing.

Are we all to know what the LAW is?
Can they charge us for a crime because; ‘ignorance of the law is no excuse’?
Well, if Judge Dawson is the LAW, then he MANDATES us, Irwin, and the jury to READ HIS MIND, or we go to prison!!!
Maybe someone should notify Irwin of this if he has not read it.

Here is what should be said;

The jury comes in,

Judge Dawson: “Foreman, has the jury found a verdict?”

Foreman: “Yes your honor, we have?”

Irwin: “Your honor, I have one more thing to say before the verdict is read.”

Judge Dawson: “Go ahead Mr. Schiff.”

Irwin: “Isn’t it true that you stated that you are the LAW?”

Judge Dawson: “Yes, it is true.”

Irwin: “According to the government, isn’t it true that ‘ignorance of the law is no excuse’?”

Judge Dawson: “Yes, it is true.”

Irwin: “Well, can I be held accountable for NOT being a mind reader?”

Judge Dawson: “No, what are you getting at?”

Irwin: “Then, NOT being able to read YOUR MIND, your honor, I cannot be held to your standards!”

Judge Dawson: “I am the LAW here!”

Irwin: “That is what I am getting at, but YOU can put a man in prison for NOT just NOT knowing the LAW, but NOT having the capabilities of something that 99.99% of the population does NOT have! You would require a blind person to read the printed transcript of this trial or go to prison for refusing to obey one of your orders? You would have a deaf person restate what you have said without him even looking at you when you said it or go to prison for refusing to obey one of your orders? You would have a paralyzed person in a wheelchair walk out of the courtroom or go to prison for refusing to obey one of your orders? Since you say you are the LAW and I cannot read your mind then you will have to conclude that this whole trial is a FRAUD and I CALL for a MISTRIAL!!!”

How would Judge Dawson squirm out of this hole?

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/22/2005 1:40 PM  

I am going to read it, saved it to word doc so I can highlight it as I read non-liable.

It is my understanding that one cannot actually copywrite ones name...others have the same name and one cannot really copywrite a title, there are books and movies of same titles.

I'll read it however....CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/22/2005 1:55 PM  

Webmaster-

I was going to respond to a previous post, then I hit "preview", then my name appeared at the top of the Clarkson post. I did not send that one, or any others yet.

By Anonymous John Vories, at 10/22/2005 2:05 PM  

Frank Buckner said "You are a maroon, Vories." I don't want to be confused with your annonymous john who called you a "fudgepacker." I am, however, glad to see that you are thinking of me. So while you are thinking of me, think of a government where fraud is not tolerated. You will be on the outside, looking in.

By Anonymous John Vories, at 10/22/2005 2:15 PM  

cj said..
<<***Now what do the SS instructions say? You must apply for the card PRIOR to your first “Taxable” event. You mean SS is a TAX? But it says FICA I don’t see a “T” in FICA. hmmmm>>---
--- this is what an applicant for citizenship sees when they apply for their "greencard"? I never saw such instructions before I got my ss#!!! I gotta friend from canada, who has applied, for citizenship,and they are required to pay taxes or else they won't...get to be a citizen

By Blogger lifetimenonfiler, at 10/22/2005 2:40 PM  

HEY Morons!

All these cases that are sent to the higher courts and dismissed just make more money for them and a guaranteed job for them.

Judge Dawson is just keeping his job, as with Schiff convicted there will be a LOT more cases he can preside over!

Now this is why we must keep bringing up talk which some of you think is irrelevant.

The cause for the trial is for THEM to keep their jobs and nothing more!

That is why in 1945 that the withholding tax could not be rescinded, for the public’s point of view, as there would be millions of people out of work, besides the military, that were working with you on you paying those taxes.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/22/2005 2:44 PM  

cj: Can u try it again? Hopefully I did something right this time.R i Oregon thanx

By Anonymous Rich in Oregon, at 10/22/2005 2:45 PM  

cj:Sorry for wasting your time I cant seem to make this thing work even for me. I think i am going to have to just put my address directly on the post I guess.thanx

By Anonymous Rich in Oregon, at 10/22/2005 3:23 PM  

yxsnq
Rich, and everyone,
The Quatloos people are going to post, for you the exact nature of, and how you were brought into the privilege tax that is calculated by your income and with that data you will be able to fully understand the entire story.

I am seeking agreement with all of them on the thread above this one.

I am confident that soon they will answer my question because they want us all to agree with them and pay the tax imposed upon the privilege. So look for it, it is soon to appear. CJ

By Anonymous kbdkt, at 10/22/2005 3:40 PM  

Don’t you get it!

If the courts are made up of judges that believe in Admiralty LAW and NOT Common LAW, and there is NO Constitution they have to abide by, THEN THERE ARE NO LAWS THAT WE MUST COMPLY WITH THAT WOULD DENY US TO HAVE THEM HAULED OUT AND HUNG BY THE NEAREST TREE!!!

How can they say we must comply with the U.S. Constitution when it does not exist for them in the first place!

They can’t have it both ways!

The U.S. Constitution protects them, but the Admiralty LAW allows them to act like gods with slavery and executions of their choosing!

Schiff’s trial is a mistrial, and that is what Irwin should close with if he is convicted!

If Judge Dawson rejects the defense of a mistrial and hauls them off to jail, then you should have a RIOT right inside the courtroom and then the news crews cannot deny that there was something wrong going on by the Judge!

But then again, they would probably throw every one of you supporters in jail and file criminal charges under the Patriot Act of you trying to assassinate a government official, but then there will be NO trials, you will only be sent to Guantanamo Bay for interrogation!

I am a supporter of liberty, but when a judge believes he is higher than the U.S. Constitution then WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!

Maybe someone should fall down in front of Judge Dawson and then have him bending over you and someone else takes a picture of it!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/22/2005 4:42 PM  

Ahh, lifetimenonfiler, thanks for pointing something out!

The key words are that the foreigner won't get to be a "U.S.CITIZEN" a vastly different status than a free born american national.

U.S.Citizens (defined as those being born in the insular possessions) must obtain the number to work in the union states.
All foreigner are mandated to get the number to work in the union states.
All foreigners are mandated to get the number to become and treated as a U.S.CITIZEN

BUT getting the number is "voluntary" for those born in one of the union states. If one, born in the union states gets the number is he or she now viewed as a U.S.Citizen?

What constitutional rights does a U.S. Citizen have? Only the right to residence. Inalienable Constitutional rights and the bill of rights only apply to americans(the posterity) not foreigers or U.S. Citizens (those born in the insular possessions)

Americans therefore voluntarily ELECT to be treated as one of "them" (foreigner or U.S. Citizen) when we voluntarily sign up for and alter our STATUS. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/23/2005 10:23 AM  

Did you know that the letter from the Congressman stated;
Congress of the United States rather than CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES?

Did you know that probably everyone of you who filled out a preprinted Form 1040 was committing FRAUD?

Your name was printed like; IRWIN A. SCHIFF, but you signed it Irwin A. Schiff, in lower case letters and therefore you signed as an individual rather than a corporation!

Even the court documents of trials the names are like; IRWIN A. SCHIFF and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Did you know that the gold fringe on the flag stands for Admiralty LAW and NOT just honor and respect?

It signifies a military jurisdictional presence.

Under this tribunal that Schiff is going though, he may be held as a treasonous underling!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/23/2005 4:58 PM