Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Irwin Schiff on "Coast to Coast AM" With George Noory in Los Angeles via phone. Oct 20, 2005 - 10:PM Pacific www.coasttocoastam.com

78 Old Comments:

The Income Tax came to America through Karl Marx Communist Manifesto. When you tax "income" everything you have belongs to the government and to have employment, a "job" is not a right but a privilege. The government is the "Master" the worker is the "Slave" This is true whether you are a private industry worker or a government worker. The American tax system has built in through its 3.4 million words class warfare to the extreme. The States did not even ratify the 16th Amendment. Under the Income tax there is no constitution, Declaration of independence and no bill of rights. We're all slaves.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 6:28 AM  

George was fair to Irwin. Go get 'em Mr. Big!!!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 7:08 AM  

I am actually disappointed that this jury is taking so long over this verdict. These jurors are citizens of this country and the reason we have a jury is to prevent tyranny in the governments and ultimately that trickles down to the courts. This jury could have sent the loudest possible message to this scumbag government by returning a verdict of not guilty with in two minutes. I know that if I am a juror and I have witnessed a kangaroo court and that the defendants have not received a fair trail I would not consider the legalities of the trial, but rather I would know that any human being no matter where they are from or what they have done is entitled to a fair trial. Based on the behavior of Dawson these defendants are not guilty, no other reason needed. It makes me laugh at Dawson’s sanctioning of Irwin which actually means contempt of court. I hold American courts with utter contempt the judges are bigger criminals than the criminals. Do you think that this type of court system can be found in Western Europe or Australia or New Zealand? Absolutely not I tell you future generations in history will not judge this country as great, But rather with disgust. It does not finish with the judges look at the police in this country if you want to call them that? See their bias of Irwin’s supporter, around the civilized world a police officer is regarded as a slightly above in character a peer to the community. Not in this country they are called pigs and no real pig deserves the association. They are bigger thugs than the thugs. Are you proud of WACO and the killing of 17 children or Ruby Ridge with the murder of a mother and her fifteen year old son or back in the sixties with the massacre of the anti-Vietnam war protesters? Hasn’t this government raised its ugly head over and over again? Hang you head in shame America you are the outcast of the civilized world.

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 7:26 AM  

Frederick Douglas said in 1849, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they have resisted with either words, or blows, or by both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress."

By Anonymous mikey, at 10/19/2005 7:41 AM  

When I was a child, I can remember my elders always saying to me, "You can't have your cake and eat it too."

People who insist on hanging on to their Socialist Security Numbers should keep this in mind when they are feeling the corrupt pressure of the de facto government bearing down on them.

If you want to be free, you must rid yourself of the nexus that aids and abets those who are robbing you of your ability to exercise and claim your inalienable rights.

Never volunteer to contract with Marxist, they'll rob you blind at every opportunity that they get.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 7:58 AM  

Wonderful to read your post anon. 7:28am and your 8:58

Right on Target.

Maybe you would like to read my letter to Otis, located at Segment 1 comments section at recent Freedome Law School audio.

It is directly related to yours comments.

Arrows are headed toward and hitting the bullseye!

Enthusiastically, CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 8:10 AM  

Hello Jerry Hosteg here,

Really, who cares if the government is going beyond their boundaries. It's not like we can do anything about it. Who cares!! Let our children suffer from our mistakes. Let's have a state of mind of self-preservation. Toss freedom aside. Give up freedom for security. Preach peace and safety in the churches.

I'm telling you, God is no longer with this nation. Which is why it's getting worse. When God withdraws his hand, things go bad! That's a fact!

There will come a time where the only people that will be protected by God is his people. The rest will destroy each other. Read and do a study of the books of Daniel and Revelation. These books deal with what has happened, and what is to become of this world.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 9:31 AM  

Hi Jerry,

I wonder what was going on in the minds of our forefathers when British rule became unacceptable or unbearable.

Did they also put their trust in God for forge a new nation ?

Didn't those after them such as Thoreau, Emerson, and Jackson attempt to keep the republic alive through their efforts of self determination and civil disobedience. Have we lost so much to allow evil to continue to prevail ?

As for Thoreau, please visit the following web site URL ...

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/herman/herman6.html

I think you find the commentary powerful.

Yes, there are a lot of things going to hell in a hand basket. For example 86% of the people living in California can not afford a home, there is talk about eliminating the home mortgage interest deduction (no doubt to repay phony loans for war), etc. and the current marxist or socialist system is imploding (well that may not be bad).

There is no longer a representative government, and Americans should be a lot more angrier than they are now. Visit web site url..

http://www.rense.com/general68/anger.htm

With all that is happening even those that resist the war are seriously considering resisting taxation that goes along without representation.

These people are not alone in their endeavor.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 10:10 AM  

Mr. Hosteg:
I would guess that you have no children or grandchildren by your remarks. It is evident tht you have thrown in the towel. I believe we will have a peaceful revolution or a messy revolution but the revolution is coming nevertheless. It does amaze me that you so readily accept being a slave. It is time for April 15th to be just another day in our lives. It wouldn't hurt if April 15th were election day.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 10:16 AM  

Nothing happens unless there is:
1. Intent
2. Action

To combat the enemy one must know their 1. Intent and 2. the action they take or use.

If the enemy wishes to enslave us, which must be fulfilled outside the Constitution, they must then set themselves up outside the Constitution and then get us to somehow join with them outside.

We were tricked into joining up as "outsiders" to the Constitutional government.

Enemy State -
Step 1. Intent = completed
Step.2. Action = completed

To fix this we must have the Intent to place ourselves back within the Constitutional form of government wherein the people are at the top

American People
Step 1. Must have the Intent

AND, then we must do the necessary work to complete the above.

Step 2. Take the Action.
CJ

And for the nay sayers, how can the government, in realikty, do what is seemingly un-consitutional if the constitution were to apply?

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 10:26 AM  

It would seem that many are choosing violence as the solution to our tyrannical government rather than peaceful resistance. If you must go this way then I suggest that you make a study of the IRA methods they force the British government to the negotiation table. I tell you again that to hit the government and the big corporations in their pockets is the best way to go. There are powerful countries and powerful corporations outside this country who would absolutely love that. The government would be forced to negotiate with the citizens and most important the corporations would be forced to carry their share of the load again. A hundred years ago the corporations paid 90% of the taxes today the pay 10% of the taxes.

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 10:51 AM  

Hello Jerry Hosteg here,

I've thrown in the towel long time ago. I don't doubt that I am a slave because unlike you guys who stand for freedom, for 13 years I am only geting 10% of my salary due to a levy.

I tried to fight it, but under no basis the judge ruled in favor of the levy.

So yes, I am a slave and I can't do anything about it and have learned to accept it after so long. I came to this country and I am now a Permanent Resident so I don't have the rights you guys have (or so says the judge). (Although I believe I have these rights for they were given to me by God, and not by man).

I wish I can call into the conferences but obviously I can't afford long distance. And I use the internet from the library. So I thank God I have some means of communication.

C'mon guys. The government doesn't care how drastically they changed my life. I don't only blame the government, but also the American people for allowing it to become like this.

And you're right! I don't have children because I can't afford any! I had to cancel my marriage to my fiancé, and she had to get an abortion because we couldn't afford a child from this levy.

Even if I try to get another job, the levy stands (or so says the judge).

I fully support Irwin because since my life has taken such an unfortunate turn, my hatred for the government will never die.

I am impressed with Irwin too. He is fighting a good fight. But I already know it's a lost cause.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 11:02 AM  

John,

Reducing the aggregate level of taxes and spending would be better than merely shifting the personal income tax to corporations.

We will all pay for increased corporate taxes in the form of lower wages, higher prices, and reduced competitiveness in the world market.

I appreciate TP's sincere desire to eliminate the personal income tax, but merely shifting it to another tax increase somewhere else does not help.

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/19/2005 11:05 AM  

Question, was this court (Dawson's) bound by US Supreme Court decisions, or was Irwin being tried under admirality law?

If the latter, was the judge suppose to inform Irwin which court he was in? and if the latter, did the judge really violate any laws under admirality ?

Next question, Cindy had a silver bond, does anyone know what that entails and how or why one would need a silver bond and what is a silver bond?

Last question, how does one go about becoming a strawman? and why would one need to become a strawman?

CAN A TRAIL BE FAIR IF ALL THE DEFENDANTS WITNESSES ARE LIMITED TO TESTIFYING TO THE DEFENDANTS CHARACTER?

WHAT ABOUT THE FACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT THE DEFANDANTS HAD TO PROVE THE DEFANDANT
INNOCENT, WHY WOULD THE JUDGE NOT ALLOW THE DEFENDANTS TO PROPERLY TESTIFY IF JUSTICE WAS WHAT HE WANTED?
MAYBE HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT "BABY JUSTICE."(CHRISTOPHER Darden of OJ's trial).

IRWIN WILL BE FOUND NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY.

QUATLOOS! KEEP UTTERING NOT GUILTY. NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY UNTIL YOU FEEL IT IN YOUR SPIRIT. TOO LATE, YOU CAN'T GET IT OUT OF YOUR MIND. GOTTCHA!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 11:10 AM  

"We will all pay for increased corporate taxes in the form of lower wages, higher prices, and reduced competitiveness in the world market."

Reasonable Guy,

The U.S. is already paying dearly because of this current income tax scheme. Debt as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product is now well over 400%. This is incredibly dangerous and is a result of government interference in the economy via this income tax system and other regulations. There is no incentive to invest and save due to an income tax system that promotes the expansion of debt. The ultimate result of this fiasco for the U.S. will be a devastating deflationary depression which will bring most citizens to their knees financially and force them to learn that government interference in the economy leads to financial chaos and disaster. FOr example, The Federal Reserve's current credit bubble is very reminiscent to the bubble they created in the late 1920's to bail-out Great Britain's socialist system that was dragging down their economy. Now, the U.S. is Great Britain and China is the U.S.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 11:16 AM  

Exactly!

Reread my post...

"Reducing the aggregate level of taxes and spending would be better than merely shifting the personal income tax to corporations."

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/19/2005 11:19 AM  

Reasonable Guy,

Look at Jerry's second post on this thread to see how the government is not only affecting the economy, but people's lives! A government like this doesn't even deserve money!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 11:26 AM  

"C'mon guys. The government doesn't care how drastically they changed my life. I don't only blame the government, but also the American people for allowing it to become like this."


No truer words could be spoken....it's not just the Gvt, but the society of Amerika that decided to turn to legal plunder....this society is going to pay dearly with a massive deflationary depression that will make the 1930's look like a cakewalk. Mark my words!!!

Frederic Bastiat

"....When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it - without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud - to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed.

I say that this act is exactly what the law is supposed to suppress, always and everywhere. When the law itself commits this act that it is supposed to suppress, I say that plunder is still committed, and I add that from the point of view of society and welfare, this aggression against rights is even worse. In this case of legal plunder, however, the person who receives the benefits is not responsible for the act of plundering. The responsibility for this legal plunder rests with the law, the legislator, and society itself. Therein lies the political danger."

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 11:49 AM  

Let me start by saying this is still the best country in the world!!
But even the best apple tree produces some bad apples . . . so what do they do with them? They pluck them from the tree and get rid of them so they don't spoil the other apples.
WE THE PEOPLE . . . have gotten weak, turned our heads, didn't want to get involved, and thru time we have gotten alot of bad apples in our government. Again, I still believe we have the best government in the world. But WE are the ones that have let them take advantage of us.
It is our job to expose the rotten apples and rotten systems.
I do believe we all have an obligation to support those that REALLY need support. We do need to help keep this country #1. But we do not need to support hidden agendas, lying, cheating or systems that steal from us to give more to greedy bad apples that have more than most of us already.
I get tired of seeing post from fools that blame 100% of the government, that blame 100% of the wealthy folks . . . and speak on these issues for or against without real knowledge of what these issues are all about. I can name many huge names of wealthy people who are out helping others all over. I personally know politicians that stand for change for wrong in this country. DO THEY HAVE TO? No!! Just because your brother murders somebody, that doesn't make you a murderer. We have got to get out of that mind set. We ned to stop putting every government official or wealthy person into an all bad category.
The tax system is corrupt!! Those stealing from us, continue to hurt us and lie for their own gain, will be exposed and it will come back on them . . . AND FINALLY, SOON!! But we have got to educate our children to be aware of corruption and we have to teach them how to fight to clean up wrong and evil systems and people or groups.
Let's not just give lip service to injustice like what they are doing to Erwin, Cindy and Larry, let's continue to tell everyone about this corrupt system of taxation. Let's make sure we explain why it is corrupt and let's be strong in knowledge to defend what is right. That is the only way to win against a Goliath wrong doing. Let us all show a willingness to support a good system equal for all to keep this country great. I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!! And an American should always stand for truth and justice.

TFJ

By Anonymous Truth For Justice, at 10/19/2005 11:50 AM  

"The tax system is corrupt!! Those stealing from us, continue to hurt us and lie for their own gain, will be exposed and it will come back on them . . ."

THe U.S. is still the best country in the world?! Is there a 'best country' in the world....almost every country in the world has massive corruption and illegal income tax systems. The question really should be is there a society that uses its laws to prevent the injustice of legalized plunder of ones property and civil rights? Haven't found that place anywhere on earth yet.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 11:59 AM  

"Haven't found that place anywhere on earth yet."

That's because the infernal revenue disservice is located in every country on the planet.

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/19/2005 12:12 PM  

Reasonable Guy,

Look at Jerry's second post on this thread to see how the government is not only affecting the economy, but people's lives! A government like this doesn't even deserve money


What? No personal responsibility at all, huh? It's all the fault of "someone else"? If Hosteg' post is true, the levy was caused by his choice to follow the "detax" guru de jour. We make our own choices and live with the consequences.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/19/2005 12:14 PM  

"Let us all show a willingness to support a good system equal for all to keep this country great."

Hello Jerry Hosteg here,

Equality doesn't exist in this country. Can you explain to me why I was denied rights the average citizen has when I got that 90% levy to stand for the rest of my life and approved by a judge? The judge actually said with his own mouth, "You are a Permanent Resident. You do not have rights."

It's been 13 years I have been a slave. Paying 90% of anything I make to the government.

I should say good luck to you guys. You are very strong as I once was. But I have no faith in any movement to suppress totalitarianism.

Goodbye, and God Bless.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:15 PM  

Hello Jerry Hosteg here,

Frank,

The levy was illegal. I claimed exempt on my W-4, and didn't file anymore because I found out that the income I was making wasn't subject to IRS.

The levy came as a suprise really. I wasn't given notice that they were going to take 90% of my pay until I saw my paycheck.

When I tried to fight it in court, the judge only approved the levy because he told me I had no rights as a Permanent Resident.

Perhaps it's time I go to country where I do have at least some rights.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:23 PM  

"The judge actually said with his own mouth, "You are a Permanent Resident. You do not have rights."

Jerry,

It appears that the U.S. Gvt. is more than willing to give you the right to be taxed as a Permanent Resident, but no other rights from such domicile which is total hypocrisy. Ironically, non-resident aliens (wihtout a trade or business in the U.S.) have more rights to their own property (capital) than U.S. Citizens and Residents. Take a look at the IRC and you will see the massive loophole that was placed in there by the U.S. Congress. It is nothing less than open discrimination against U.S. Citizens and Residents without a trade or business in the U.S. Take a look at an IRS Form 1042-S and you shall see the light>>>

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:26 PM  

Jerry,

Tell your friends outside the U.S. to save their time and money and go to a jurisdiction where they are going to have more property rights.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:28 PM  

It seems like a negative gain for me to continue to with the same thing… so I'll end here, with this subject, unless a question is asked.

EVERYONE.

Forget everything you have been told, read or think you know. Make the mind a clean blank slate for without cleanliness the subject gets muddied. Even forget what Irwin has said, just for a short moment. You can always re-access it in your mind anytime, but for now blank it all out.

Ask yourself this seemingly simple question. The body of the Constitution very clearly and precisely explains lawful money does it not? YES How then do we have, in our pockets, something called money that does not fit the confines of the Constitution?

Oh yes we all know the Jekyll Island story and all that, but completely RESOLVE the question inside YOURSELF, by yourself and for yourself! How?

My personal answer is because it is not the lawful money of America under the Constitution. If you come to the same or similar conclusion, than the question is: “Whose money is it that we use?” It says it is legal tender for all debts public and private. Tendering a debt to another debt is to discharge that debt, NOT PAY THE DEBT. But I digress….

If it is not the lawful money of the country of the union states known as America, what countries money is it? If it is not domestic, it must be…. that’s right, foreign.
End of clue one…

The Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the original American government and is NOT found in Title 31 and not found in the entirety of Title 5 U.S.C. Both 5 and 31 have been enacted into POSITIVE LAW. Title 26 has not been enacted into positive law. (positive law is America, non-positive law is the corporate state) The corporate state does not have to do what America has to do and that is why so many things happen and we say, “how’d they do that?” Congress used to wear two hats. One for America and one for the Corporation. I mean that’s easy, you can do it to. You can act as a casino worker by day, (your hat) and by night you can be a mom or dad, (another hat).

OK, now look at the 1100 manual. Congress created the Commissioner's Office for the IRS. Now look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find the definition of "Revenue agent." That definition reads "Any duly authorized Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico."

For a moment lets get back to Irwin wherein he correctly mentioned the Secretary and that the Secretary has to perform certain acts or Delegate those acts…correct? Ok stop right there (Irwin levity) and forget Irwin again but only for a moment.

Is the identity of the Secretary found in title 26 U.S.C.? NO! The only reference to the identity of the Secretary of the Treasury is in 27 C.F.R. at section 250.11 (definitions) which specifically states: "Secretary means Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico".

Departamento De Hacienda
Secretary of the Treasury
P.O. Box 4515
San Juan, Puerto Rico, 00902

End of Clue number two. Are you really living in and enjoying your rights as an American?

****The apperance of reality has been substituted for reality.***

Reasonable Guy once wrote that he “feels” sorry for me (CJ). Well sir don’t feel sorry for me for I am not beating my head against the wall seeking ways to “fix” the un-fixable debt. If it were fixable, someone would have fixed it now wouldn’t they? You state you believe that a positive and moral pursuit. Ideally so, I would agree, but in reality the author you directed everyone to read stated that the judge is bought and paid for, and the Constitution is worthless. Really think about those statements for a moment.

The government you so much want to fund and correct is not a government at all, but a corporation with a foreign owned debt based currency making the foreign corporation acting as quasi government foreign to America.

Jerry Hosteg is correct in the sense that IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO HIM OTHERS AND “IT” has happened to the country as well.

Better to learn what THEY DID and how they did it, take it from the beginning forward, retrace their steps backward and contained in their actions we find our answers.

Now when you do this, don't forget the Treaties...
Treaty of Peace Between the United States and Spain; December 10, 1898 for instance.

Read about the people conquered. Read what their options were. This is what has happened to you. Remember Pollock was near this time and there was no income tax in the manner it is today. Most all happened after Pollock and with the new CLASS of people the government now had to deal with.

You simply became a new Class of/or PERSON! Peace and love, CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 12:33 PM  

Truth For Justice said..."I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!! And an American should always stand for truth and justice."

I liked your thoughts but how much do you want to bet that you are not an AMERICAN? I know you think you are...so did I, till I learned. And it wasn't easy, but when I learned that I was a US CITIZEN only defined in the UN Covenant on Political Rights and as those in the insular possessions, I found myself without natural rights from the creator and only to have "civil rights" as statutized by congress!

God/Creator - Man - government?
NO not right at this moment
Corporate Government is top on the totum pole and that is simply not right!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:42 PM  

Again, why is there a "DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY-INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE" C Corp. listed in the NV Secretary of State's business entity database?

https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpDetails.aspx?CorpID=235044

Quatloss and the U.S. Gvt. won't answer the question, but they will tell you that you have to pay the tax from a host of codes that make you liable.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:43 PM  

Frank,

If you think slavery is reasonable punishment, then you are not human.

I wonder, how will you stand in judgement of God with a mind like that. Do you think God see you as righteous and pure in heart or as merciless, unjust, unsympathetic.

-Jerry Hosteg

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:46 PM  

I guess the ‘Notice of Levy’ and ‘Levy’ are really one in the same thing, and the ‘Notice of Levy’ is only given to third parties. But then how can a ‘Levy’ be given, in person, to a bank employee to get your money when it appears that paragraph ‘A’ of Section 6331 is posted on it?

People are complacent with how things are run, but they tell YOU to go out and get things changed, but when Schiff and Schulz went and took action practically everyone just shunned them as idiots.

I wonder how the rich people in New Orleans are surviving if they lived on higher ground? They may still have their property, but the utilities may still be out, and they cannot get any food or other miscellaneous items from stores as the people that worked there were paid low wages and could not stay in town as their homes were destroyed. This comes to the realization that even some of those in the ‘30’s that had gold still had a problem buying food and clothes.

Is Judge Dawson actually in charge and will have the jury dismissed if they comeback with a NOT-GUILTY verdict? Will Irwin be hauled off to jail pending his next trial which may not be for another few years?

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/19/2005 12:47 PM  

"Is Judge Dawson actually in charge and will have the jury dismissed if they comeback with a NOT-GUILTY verdict? Will Irwin be hauled off to jail pending his next trial which may not be for another few years?"

Judge Dawson doesn't have the power to dismiss the jury because they are already in deliberation...the ensuing verdict from the Jury is FINAL. Of course, if it is a 'hung jury', then this will be done all over again in the next lawsuit.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:54 PM  

The judge is being paid with foreign "legal tender" not lawful money of America, why then would he have to follow the rules of the Constitution? He wouldn't and they don't. Simple as that.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 12:56 PM  

Haven’t you seen that Judge Dawson IS the LAW!!!

The jurors did NOT really understand his instructions and they would be forced to go back and come up with a GUILTY verdict on ALL counts!!!

He might just put Irwin in jail for the sanctions and then let Irwin try and fight the court system from jail.

What laws changed from 1913 to 1942 in which no more than 11% of the people, at that time, presently paying the ‘income’ tax forced ALL Americans to pay the tax?

Well, it was the Victory ‘withholding’ tax which was VOLUNTARY and in place for only two years, not 63 as it is now!

This should be brought up in any future trail that the Victory ‘withholding’ tax was REPEALED in 1944!!!

By Anonymous non-laible, at 10/19/2005 1:14 PM  

Wasn't there a story in Great Britain several hunderd years ago where the Jury would not convict and the court then tried to get them to convict by starving them and not allowing them to leave the Jury Room until the conviction was complete...I wonder if Judge Dawson will take this course....

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 1:20 PM  

CJ, I read your comments,thanks.
One other question. I heard or read one time about the two different names for bills in the "House of Representatives". One is called "House Bill" #--, the other is called "House Resolution" #--. Is there a difference? I called my "representative's office" and asked this question. I was told that they are the same. If they are, why are there different names for the same thing? Is one for one government and the other for the other government? If so, which is which? Thanks.

By Anonymous Otis, at 10/19/2005 1:21 PM  

The levy was illegal. I claimed exempt on my W-4, and didn't file anymore because I found out that the income I was making wasn't subject to IRS.

Like I said, follow the detax guru de jour and this is the consequences.

Rights
As a Permanent Resident you have most of the rights of a United States Citizen but there are some exceptions.

Rights
To live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable (deportable) under the immigration law (section 237, Immigration and Nationality Act).

To be employed in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing.

To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions.

To vote in local elections where United States Citizenship is not required. Click here for more details on voting.

Exceptions
Some jobs will be limited to United States Citizens because of security concerns.

You may not vote in elections limited to United States Citizens.

Responsibilities
You are required to obey all of the laws of the United States, the States, and localities. You are required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the US Internal Revenue Service and State IRS.


You are expected to support the democratic form of government and cannot attempt to change the government through illegal means.

If you are a male, age 18 through 25, you are required to register with the Selective Service.

-http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/19/2005 1:21 PM  

Again, why is there a "DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY-INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE" C Corp. listed in the NV Secretary of State's business entity database?

https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpDetails.aspx?CorpID=235044

Quatloss and the U.S. Gvt. won't answer the question, but they will tell you that you have to pay the tax from a host of codes that make you liable.


Actually, I did answer the question, you're just too dense to have understood it. Just because you've demonstrated the fact that you're a little "slow", I'll repeat it.

Some moron (relative of yours perhaps?) chartered that - it wasn't the ebil gubermint.

Salman claims to own the name "Department of the
Treasury--Internal Revenue Service" by virtue of having chartered a corporation in that name in Nevada. He further alleges the IRS is wrongfully using that name and the IRS is not in fact a United States government agency. Salman seeks over $900,000 in damages and injunctive
relief.
SALMAN v. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY--INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, 899 F.Supp. 471

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/19/2005 1:26 PM  

"You are required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the US Internal Revenue Service and State IRS."

IS that "required to file" to the "DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY- INTERNAL REVENUE SERVIE" Nevada C Corp. or "DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY- INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE" Government Agency?

Not only can the U.S. Government not come up with the exact law that makes one liable to file, but now it is not apparent who we are filing these returns to. Who is the benficial owner in this NV C Corp. and what is their relation to the DPEARTMENT OF THE TREASURY- INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE.


https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpDetails.aspx?CorpID=235044

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 1:29 PM  

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift, Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting

By Anonymous mikey, at 10/19/2005 1:31 PM  

You will find the federal reserve in the yellow pages next to federal express and not in the government white pages. Why is that?

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/19/2005 1:33 PM  

What anon said. . . I liked your thoughts but how much do you want to bet that you are not an AMERICAN? I know you think you are...so did I, till I learned may be true with all the red tape and paper trails . . . but I am an American, was born in America and have lived and worked here for 48 years.
If many of you are Christians then you have to beleive that everything set out as evil will always be turned around for good eventually by God in one way or another. Sometimes it is years away before we see it, sometimes it is a short time away . . . and so many times we do not understand God's purposes or His knowledge while injustice's are being done. But let me assure you that I will always talk highly of this great country and I will always stand firm on justice for ALL.
What I struggle with is the armchair quarterbacks who complain day & night about injustice . . . but have the mind set that others should suffer and do the fighting for them and everyone else so they(the armchair quarterbacks) don't have to worry about being thumped on or damaged for their beliefs. HOW WEAK IS THAT?
Remember this; You have to be either hot or cold for what is right. Those that are luke warm end up with no support from either side.
I have stood for right all my life . . . and have paid big dues many times for standing for what is right. But so many times I have been rewarded . . . eventually for doing so. Honesty, integrity, love and caring will let you win in the end. I CHOOSE TO STAND FOR THOSE THINGS!!
Someday those that don't will have to pay. We just don't know that day and hour. BUT IT WILL HAPPEN!!
God Bless the USA!!

TFJ

By Anonymous Truth For Justice, at 10/19/2005 1:36 PM  

According to the U.S. Constitution you can only be President or Vice-President if you are a Natural BORN citizen of the ‘United States’ which I believe is the District of Columbia, and its territories. George Bush has violated the Constitution, as he was a natural born citizen of Texas, which is NOT a possession of the ‘United States.’

If they can get away with this, as the 50 States are possessions of the ‘United States’ then Schwarzenegger can become President as he received a SSN just like all last century’s Presidents. Get a SSN and automatically be included as a Natural BORN citizen of the ‘United States,’ which you were NOT beforehand.

Maybe we could fight on this issue and therefore determine what is really the ‘United States.’

By the way, even the military draft is voluntary, only as long as you do NOT pass the line in which they have drawn on the floor! I will look for that site I bookmarked.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/19/2005 1:46 PM  

FRANK - "The Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the original American government and is NOT found in Title 31 and not found in the entirety of Title 5 U.S.C. Both 5 and 31 have been enacted into POSITIVE LAW. Title 26 has not been enacted into positive law."

OK, now look at the 1100 manual. Congress created the Commissioner's Office for the IRS. Now look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find the definition of "Revenue agent." That definition reads "Any duly authorized Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico."

taken from CJ's post.
Why is the above the way it is Frank? You have all the answers so answer the above, please do! Answer with cites and correctness not by traversing the issue.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 1:49 PM  

"Wasn't there a story in Great Britain several hunderd years ago where the Jury would not convict and the court then tried to get them to convict by starving them and not allowing them to leave the Jury Room until the conviction was complete...I wonder if Judge Dawson will take this course...."

Good questions.

The name is William Penn. See web site url...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn#Persecutions

Today judges fear the IRS because their tax records serve a political purpose whether it be high or low. See IRS' System of Records 46.002, and Lord v. Kelly.

There is also good information about recusing a federal judge at web site url...

http://www.tulanelink.com/legal/supreme_99a.htm

Even a judge's orders can be used because its the content of the order that provides the motive and its the motive that establishes bias or prejudice especially for due process concerns.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 1:52 PM  

HOLD ON!!!

Someone contact Irwin and his Lawyers and tell them the following:

STOP THE TRIAL!!!

Why should anyone have to pay taxes to a Nevada Corporation the “DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY- INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE”???

Yea, cities are corporations, but we do not pay ‘income’ taxes to them for most of them and it is not a high percentage as it is with the IRS!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/19/2005 1:53 PM  

United States CITIZEN -
U.S. CITIZEN -
Citizen of the United States -
American National -
American Citizen -
***********************************
California Republic -
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
***********************************
Seems some folks think all the above as the same and equal. hmmmm I wonder what they don't know? CJ

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 1:54 PM  

Non-liable
Arnold can't be president because he is barred from wearing "both" hats, the corporate and the de jure. CJ

Now here is a thought...anything not included must be therefor excluded... some may want to ponder that concept.

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 1:56 PM  

"I have stood for right all my life . . . and have paid big dues many times for standing for what is right. But so many times I have been rewarded . . . eventually for doing so. Honesty, integrity, love and caring will let you win in the end."

You are not alone !

There are probably several of those that have left comments here that have attempted to learn, make change, and suffered. I for one lost my family even though I was aquited.

From that point on, I was encouraged by close friends not to quit. Today its more difficult than ever not to quit because the crushing weight of corrupt government is all around us.

If you truly believe in God, I believe that God is condemning this nation because we have all failed to exercise eternal vigilence.

Yes eternal vigilence is a very tall order to fill because it requires a tremendous amount of self responsibility and respect.

It was Jefferson's legacy left to us all, and he practiced it right up to his death.

Eternal vigilence is not pretty, and very harsh unlike equity.

May God foregive us all.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 2:01 PM  

This trial was rigged. I was a defense witness and was admonished by the judge from testifying about the truth or innocent of Schiff.

Be advised, I had a boatload of evidence to prove Schiff and company were innocent. One of the facts is that there is no statue in title 18 that Schiff violated.

2) The index to the IRC does not list any liability for income taxes, doesn't list any penalities for incopme taxes and does not list any payment for income taxes. We could stop right here, however, there is more.

US V.Ballard, income is not defined in the IRC.

Smitanka case: Income means a corporate profit.

Long decision: A zero return is a return that is legitimate (parapharasing.)

U.S V. Cheeks: The government need to prove three elements to prove Schiff and company are guilty. The government supress these from being introduced into evidence.

WAKE UP PEOPLE, THE GOV'T DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC KNOWING THE TRUTH AND HE DID A GOOD JOB OF SUPRESSING THE TRUTH. However, truth thrown down to the ground will rise up again! A lie can not live forever.

IRWIN IS NOT GUILTY, IRWIN IS NOT GUILTY, IRWIN IS NOT GUILTY, IRWIN IS NOT GUILTY.

Sadaam Hussame(SIC) will have a better chance of defending himself than what was allowed of Irwin.

WAS IRWIN IN A COURT BOUND BY US SUPREME COURT DECISIONS? OR WAS IRWIN IN A ADMIRALITY COURT?

By Anonymous Spongebob., at 10/19/2005 2:02 PM  

frank,

You don't have to argue or convince me of anything like you do to everyone else here.

I've been broken. I've already given up. The government won! They are my earthly master now and I know I have to accept that. I work to support my master. In return, I get $0.90/hr. to get food and supplies. Isn't that the job description of a slave?

Believe me, you don't want to be slave. But after a while (for me it was 13 years), you get use to it and realize it is pointless to hate it when you can't change it.

It is natural for humans to adapt to different lifestyles. Too bad for me, my lifestyle was decided by the government.

-Jerry Hosteg

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 2:10 PM  

God bless America ?

Bill Gates dumps dollar for euro

"The dollar’s downward trend has not been broken since I wrote a column about the subject in December. (link) In fact, the trend seems to be accelerating. Bill Gates openly stated yesterday he is pulling out of the dollar and is instead investing in euros. Microsoft’s co-founder has made many mistakes in the past (I write this on an Apple computer, so I may be biased), but this is a wise move, indeed. He’s probably not the last one to pull out of the U.S. currency.

Bill Gates, whose net worth of $46.6 billion makes him the world’s richest person, is betting against the U.S. dollar.

“I’m short the dollar,” Gates, chairman of Microsoft Corp., told Charlie Rose in an interview late yesterday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “The ol’ dollar, it’s gonna go down.”

Gates’s concern that widening U.S. budget and trade deficits are undermining the dollar was echoed in Davos by policymakers including European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

The dollar fell 21 percent against a basket of six major currencies from the start of 2002 to the end of last year. The trade deficit swelled to a record $609.3 billion last year and total U.S. government debt rose 8.7 percent to $7.62 trillion in the past 12 months.

“It is a bit scary,” Gates said. “We’re in uncharted territory when the world’s reserve currency has so much outstanding debt.” Bloomberg"

Web site url...

http://www.sebimeyer.com/?p=1229

Your local news and the mainstream media can say whatever, but its this kind of action that should send up a red flag be poor or (allegedly) rich.

Now Gates can leverage against the supposed dollar.

Unstable currency, unstable Country.

Simply the income tax is a small part of a much bigger picture.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 2:26 PM  

Hi there Otis,
Hey what a great question! I never considered that a bill and a resolution are the same, as your elected officials office told you… See these blogs can bring greatness of thought.

Isn't it funny that two "different" things can be the same when given a bureaucratic answer…hehehe……Example: California Republic and the STATE OF CALIFORNIA. Some say they are the same….hmmmm!
Well I have a two part answer for you Otis,

Part 1. The difference between the two “forms” of government is not in bills or resolutions. The dejure government has to follow the constitutional rules and limitations. For instance to declare war it needs formal Congressional approval. The corporate entity doing business on behalf of or as though they were the dejure government does not have to follow constitutional rules and limitations in their entirety. For instance “it” can go to war without full and formal congressional approval and IT DOES!

Part 2. A “Bill” is a proposed Law, (only proposed) until it is enacted into law, and just as above is handled by either form in the manner they must or can. I have, from the printing office, How Our Laws Are Made, produced by the 105th congress document number 105-14 , 1998. I would suspect there is an updated one now… It will discuss Enacted Law, Slip Law, Statutes At large, United State Code and more…

A “Resolution” is a not law and not proposed law. It is a written opinion of the collective minds of the body politic and used to settle disputes. So you have House or Senate Resolution number xxxx means a question was proffered and after debate the answer was “resolved” and formally written down. I use the resolution in the same manner as they, I mean why not, they usually wrote the problem and had to resolve it so I should adopt their resolution. For instance there were resolutions with regard to the BANKRUPTCY filed by the corporate government 1933 and other fun matters, like Senate Resolution No. 62 also 1933 wherein they RESOLVED that “The ultimate ownership of all property is in the STATE; individual so-called “ownership” is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere USER; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate [meaning lesser] to the necessities of the STATE.”

Gee whiz, I gave an honest upfront answer…I must not be a bureaucrat like the ones you spoke to. I’ve been scoffed at on these pages for giving concise answers by those who only know how to understand the language of crimestop…meaning stopping short at the threshold of any dangerous thought. Thoughts are dangerous you know…heck Irwin was tried for some offenses amounting to nothing more than “thinking.”

Regards, CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 2:29 PM  

reasonable guy said - We will all pay for increased corporate taxes in the form of lower wages, higher prices, and reduced competitiveness in the world market.

I disagree. Corporations already try and pay as little in wages as they can, they charge as much as the market will bear and they will cut costs through mergers and globalization no matter what their tax load is. No corporation has ever passed a tax break onto their employees. The minimum wage was started exactly because companies paid so little if they could get away with it.

Increasing corporate taxes will never collapse a company because it's a tax on profit, it's not an uncontrollable expense. All an increase would mean is that wealthy people will become wealthier a little bit slower.

By Anonymous Erik Heerlein, at 10/19/2005 2:36 PM  

Bills and Resolutions are NOT the same thing. Here's the most concise description I can find:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/blabbreviations.htm

By Anonymous Interested Party, at 10/19/2005 2:38 PM  

I found the site to Volunteer, or NOT, into the Selective Service, or Draft!
http://www.aposse.org/commons/a_refuse/refuse1.htm

The Supreme Court ruled you do NOT have to VOLUNTEER in the military even when there is a draft, so the same could go apply with taxes!

Please read more from this site to get info on the word – VOLUNTEER:

A FREE American CANNOT be forced to VOLUNTARILY SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT AND HIS APPOINTED OFFICERS, an act that is required after one takes the voluntary “one step forward” to indicate acquiescence to induction into the armed forces.

Get a copy of the 1970 film "AKA: Cassius Clay,"you will hear a Lt. Col. reveal the secret of avoiding being drafted into the military.

By the way: Ali was convicted by a Texas jury of violation of the Selective Service Act -- "refusing induction"; fined $10,000.00 and sentenced to 5 years in prison. In 1971 the United States Supreme Court overturned, and threw out the conviction. Ali never paid the fine or went to prison over the issue.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/19/2005 2:39 PM  

Erik,

You need to brush up on your economics.

Your argument is the same as believing landlords don't figure the cost of property taxes into the rent.

By Anonymous Reasonable Guy, at 10/19/2005 2:40 PM  

"Truth for Justice said: "but I am an American, was born in America and have lived and worked here for 48 years."

I am not for arguing as there are plenty of fools to waste their time in meaningless drivel attempting to outdo another with quips and fools logic, in attempt to extol their own perceived virtue.

Since you referenced a "Christian American" you may want to know that if you have voluntarily signed up for a SS# you have successfully completed the nexus and agreement necessary to convert your status. Status = citizenship.

Only foreign persons are mandated to obtain the SS#.
For Americans with birthright, such as you, it is voluntary. Now why would an American decide to get a card and number designed only for foreigners?

This gets deep and goes into the Trading with the Enemy Act (a banking act) and it’s amended versions etc… “By the modern phrase, a man who resides under the allegiance and protection of a hostile state for commercial purposes is to be considered to all civil purposes as much an alien enemy as if her were born there.” Hutchinson v Brock, 11 Mass. 119, 122

I know more is needed but maybe, just maybe you are not viewed as the American you claim you are. AND that is a very sad and costly thing. Who in their right mind, if knowing so, would give up natural rights from their Creator as protected by the Constitution and replace them for "civil rights" as statutized by congress without constitutional protection?

Is the California Republic the same as THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA? Is an "American" actually the same as a "U.S. CITIZEN?" CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 2:48 PM  

Hello Jerry Hosteg here,

Gosh cj, give it up! The government has jurisdiction over the 50 states and yes, a U.S. Citizen is an American. I now see why the IRS is saying TP arguements are frivolous regarding jurisdiction because it sounds frivolous indeed.

Why does it make any sense for Americans to elect representation to govern U.S territories only?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 3:17 PM  

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Therein lies the major problem. TP's have consumed so much of the anti-everything kook-aid that "sense" is a foreign concept to them. When you sit in a dark room for hours upon hours watching "The Matrix" and listening to "people" such as Mike the radio retard, you become incapable to forming conclusions that have any basis in reality.

cj believes that the Government only has jurisdiction over "enclaves" that were formed by the international jewish new world order banking conspiracy.

Or is that it the conspiracy that a birth certificate "sells" you to aliens from the planet "whatthehellyoutalkingaboutwillis"?

It's hard to keep the all the kookspiracy theories straight.

Jerry Hosteg here, if you really have that going against you, I would recommend you contact a tax attorney (free legal help is available, you just have to look for it) and get working on an offer in compromise. You might be able to see sunlight at the end of the tunnel.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/19/2005 3:27 PM  

Thank you JERRY for your full and complete legal analysis (lacking any references) that two different things, that two things not created at the same time and coming from different events are actually the same. A horse is a cow!

Now Jerry please do me a favor and present the cite that you have used to legally define a U.S. CITIZEN. Is it in the Constitution...NO! Ok thats one place you don't have to look.

I commiserate with your situation and know that no matter if one files or not one is subject to slaughter as happened to my father.

BUT I WILL NOT Stop telling the truth in its exact nature and form because you have not studied or understood. IF YOU THINK I am wrong and/or frivilous why don't you present once centilla of proof or evidence.

Now are you trying to have others not seek the facts, the exact nature and cause for some undisclosed reason? What say you. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 3:40 PM  

And to you Funrk Booger, WHO the hell are you to say what I think. I write what I know to be true and give references,... you are content to make quips and place upon others your sociopathic ills as you are filled with rage and hate, as you have stated.

I know one thing for sure, you wouldn't and couldn't say one word you print in a dark alley face to face with me. That's who you are FRANK CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 3:44 PM  

NONE OF YOU HAVE ACTUALL READ THE TREATY OF PEACE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND SPAIN HAVE YOU...WELL HAVE YOU? WHAT DOES IT SAY, WHAT DID IT ESTABLISH?

COME ON YOU CAN PLACE YOUR SICK WORDS UPON OTHER PEOPLE ALL DAY LONG BUT YOU CAN'T SYNOPSISE A SILLY LITTLE TREATY INSTANTANIOUSLY?

WHAT GOOD ARE YOU
CJ

By Anonymous CJ, at 10/19/2005 3:47 PM  

Here's one for Frank and Jerry...Name the f*^#ing PRIVILEGE that CRS and Congress told you about.
UNTILL YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE NOTHING.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 3:52 PM  

You hit a NEW LOW Frank bring jewish people into the mix. My mom was part jew so I know for sure you are a sicko beyond the word and I also know you to be a coward, a simple male, and not a man. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 4:02 PM  

Frank,

Been there done that. Can't afford an attorney either. Seriously, can 90 cents an hour buy anything but food?

The IRS doesn't have to compromise with me. As per the judge's orders, I don't have any constitutional rights. So the IRS is not willing offer compromise. I mean really, if you have a court order that supports slavery, wouldn't you be more proned to have a slave instead of compromise?

Doesn't matter, I've learned to accept my master, but I'm going to leave this country for good and isolate myself from all forms of confusing man made laws and stick to God's simple laws. This way, I can die happy with a purpose of reaching the Kingdom of Heaven.

Money doesn't matter anymore for me. I've served my master for 13 years, and that's enough.

Unless my master doesn't allow me to leave, then I'll have to isolate myself somewhere where I can't be found. I'm set with food because I've learned how to grow my own food. Wish me luck everyone.

God Bless

-Jerry Hosteg

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 4:09 PM  

Hello Jerry Hosteg here,

I am not your enemy CJ. I just don't care anymore about all this stuff. If you were in my situation, you too would understand that the fight for truth for man made laws is pointless. (Which is why I stick to the law of God).

The government is more powerful, and will act illegally as well to make it so. And yes they can get away with it and you can't do anything about it.

God will pass fair judgement and it's only then will everyone agree to the errors of the system.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 4:21 PM  

Give it up you guys!

We are here to talk about Irwin Schiff, a Jew.

Didn’t you know that Judge Dawson will have Schiff executed for threatening to take actions against Judge Dawson! That is, the marshals will force a struggle with Schiff, then say he tried to escape from custody, and then a marshal will shoot and kill him by emptying his gun.

OH! We haven’t gotten to that point, but Schiff will first appeal and file criminal charges against Judge Dawson by NOT allowing evidence to be brought into the case. Then the disastrous WILL happen, Schiff will be a martyr for the tax movement, just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was for the Civil Rights.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/19/2005 4:25 PM  

**yawn**
cj, did you say something? Pick the dark alley, brain dead.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/19/2005 4:29 PM  

I cannot believe that you (CJ) have fallen for an infiltrator's effort to divide what we all are trying to make clear. You have now stooped to his level. We all know the truth . . . and it doesn't matter what foolish people say. That's all they have time for is to spew venom at others. They do that because they are miserable. They have no real feelings for what is right. DON'T BECOME THAT WAY TOO!! They too will have to answer to only one like us someday. Stand for what is right . . . THAT'S ALL!!

By Anonymous Truth For justice, at 10/19/2005 5:00 PM  

No problemo Truth for Justice, I recently had my daughters Social Studies supposed teacher mark her answers with regard to religeous holidays celebrated in America wrong because she cited Ramadon and the Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur. The teacher said they are false until proven they exist. DAH
The teacher went on to say, after I pointed out Yom Kippur on her calander, that Jews don't matter.

A fine Christian lady. So it got to me due to the above.

nonetheless, I say Frank is a coward and hasn't the mind or the stones to cha cha by word or in person respectively . CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 5:11 PM  

Changing over from the income tax to a national sales tax would be like giving a thief a key to your front door and telling him to stop coming through your window!
The taxes we pay are far sufficient enough to run the government. Its the federal reserve that takes up income taxes.
They are a privately owned for-profit business not a government agency. and the only "service" they provide is unconstitutional notes used as money to which they regulate the value for their own financial gain.
By the way, The federal reserve created the IRS. How does a private business create a government agency???

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2005 7:14 PM  

We know from Bill Benson that the 16th Amendment was unlawfully ratified.
But,…

Where is the Amendment for the Federal Reserve Act to PRINT currency?
Well, I guess even U.S. Treasury notes were unlawful!

Where is the Amendment for the President to LEND money to foreign countries?
Well, I guess he is lending only Federal Reserve Notes which are OK!

Where is the Amendment for the United States to seize the 50 States as their own possessions?
Well, I guess it is how you word the laws that does it!

By Anonymous non-laible, at 10/19/2005 7:42 PM  

nonetheless, I say Frank is a coward and hasn't the mind or the stones to cha cha by word or in person respectively

Really, as you happen to forget my asking you to name the alley. People like you are all bluster and bluff, until someone calls you on it. I will meet you anytime to discuss your "views". Dark alley, lighted alley - you name it punk.

By Anonymous Frank Buckner, at 10/19/2005 10:44 PM  

Fanrk, you self proclaimed hater of mankind, it is easy for you to play the game on the computer, you do it so much... I am trapped for I cannot do or say anything other than tell the truth for you will complain that I am threatening you and you feel threatened and run for help.
I know the real truth about your types as do the readers.

You got me, you win the stupid hide behind the computer war game you play, I never played it, I don't care about that for I play the real world and have real things to do.

Just know, someday you will forget your not at the computer and commit an assult with the hate the fumes from you like methane gas from both orifices and a very lucky soul will help relieve you of your gas problem. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 11:26 PM  

The chief enemies of republican freedom are mental sloth,
conformity, bigotry, superstition, credulity, monopoly in the market
of ideas, and utter, benighted ignorance. Adderley v. State of
Florida, 385 U.S. 39, 49 (1967) Decision by Justice Black.

By Anonymous cj, at 10/19/2005 11:37 PM  

Buck, is your real name David Cay Johnston? You sound just like him.

By Blogger LAWoman, at 10/20/2005 2:55 AM  

Frank,
You are one of the biggest pro gubment un-American thinkers I have ever seen.
You wouldnt know freedom or liberty or patriotism if it came up to you and kicked you in the nuts! But thats probably because you dont have any...

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/20/2005 1:15 PM