Sunday, October 30, 2005

Cohen, Schiff & Neun Trial

Mike Golden interview with Irwin Schiff


21 Old Comments:

You’re wrong Irwin this is not a form of fascism but rather a form of Nazism. Remember failing to give a person a fair trial is a crime against humanity as far as I am concerned Dawson committed a crime against humanity with your trial. Amnesty International are a useless organization who goes around the world pointing a finger at other governments, when they should be doing it right here in this country. Their funding comes from this government and they would lose their support along with their high paid salaries hence the lack of interest on their part. I wrote a letter to them three or four weeks ago and did not even get a reply from the scumbags. What I find equally disgusting is your 60 thousand supporters passively sitting by doing nothing that is the real problem with America. Many of these supporters have not even written a letter to their congressman. We should have a web site where we can download a letter everyday and send it to every senator congressman and president. Sixty thousand of us could jam their e-mails shut. Everyday we send a letter, but more important sixty thousand people should be marching down the strip. What a great way to put this trial on the map.

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 2:24 PM  

Pete Hendrickson comments on Irwin Schiff trial here...

http://www.losthorizons.com/Newsletter.htm

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By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 2:31 PM  

Mike (or anyone else running this blog),

Can one of you create a 1-2 page press release stating all the major points about this case? I can blog it elsewhere and link off that...

You'll get a much better response of people spreading the word if they have 1 press release that they can send to their local papers, or place on their blog.

Cheers

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 2:45 PM  

Schiff couldn't even get a dozen people to attend the trial. Expecting 60,000 to march is frankly ludicrous.

Until you stop deluding yourselves, nothing will ever be accomplished.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 2:48 PM  

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I N S T R U C T I O N S
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To All:

If you are an American that desires the "Rule of Law" to prevail and for justice to be applied according to the "Rule of Law", then you must- right now today- do the following:

(1) Write a letter to Henry Hyde (Senator), Trent Lott (Senator), Orin Hatch (Senator), Dick Army and anyone else you can think of in the Senate. The letter should say something to the effect of:


Dear Senator, your immediate action is required! America is supposed to be a country under the RULE OF LAW. However, in the case of Irwin Schiff, the judicial branch and DOJ have clearly trampled the RULE OF LAW in order to protect the precious revenue streams- the taxes. They have trampled the RULE OF LAW to the point of placing Irwin Schiff in jail based on a trial that stole the Defendant’s ability to “DEFEND”.

Irwin was prohibited from speaking about the LAW. He was even forbidden from reading the LAW as it is written for all Americans to see. When the jury asked to see the LAW, the court refused to comply, and instead prohibited the jury from seeing the LAW as evidence.

The court acted this way for one reason, because based on the LAW Irwin’s DEFENSE and reliance on the LAW is correct, and the DOJ would have lost if the court allowed the LAW to go in as evidence.

Your action is needed to correct this… If this situation remains, then America has changed from a under the RULE OF LAW, to that of Nazi Germany, of Fascism even.

The trial records and transcripts reveal that Irwin is railroaded (as I have mentioned). If you do nothing, then your oath of office is a farce. Please stand up to be the person I know you are- help Irwin.

Please help Irwin to get out of jail so he can appeal. He is approx 76 years old, and he is not a flight risk, or a threat, he is just an American who is standing on the LAW, and dealing with courts that are afraid of the LAW.

Yours truly,

Your name here

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 2:50 PM  

Does anyone have a copy of the jury instructions that Irwin proposed? Did Cindy and Larrry's lawyers propose any or did they go along with the ninth circuit's default jury instructions for willful failure to file?

By Anonymous Steve, at 10/30/2005 2:52 PM  

Irwin sounds like he's in pretty bad shape and like he has been drugged.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 3:08 PM  

Here is a letter to send to your representatives:

Dear representative,
As the result of the Irwin Schiff trial, concluding Oct. 24, 2005, in Judge Kent Dawson’s courtroom, in Las Vegas NV, in the 9th U.S. District, you are hereby notified that your services are no longer required.

Judge Kent Dawson stated he was the LAW, and anything that Congress wrote was of no bearing in his courtroom.

We would like to resolve the matter, but it appears that Irwin Schiff, 77 years old, will be spending the rest of his life in prison because Judge Kent Dawson stated he was the LAW, which Congress was NOT.

Judge Kent Dawson:
1) Refused to allow the Internal Revenue Code to be read in the courtroom unless it supported the prosecution.
2) Sustained every objection by the prosecution when the defense was asking the questions, which was more than 80% of the defense’s questions.
3) Had only the defense’s witnesses Mirandized and not the prosecution’s witnesses.
4) Had only witnesses in for the defense to be questioned on the character of Irwin Schiff and nothing about his books or other materials on tax law.
5) Allowed the prosecution to state to the jury before they went to deliberate; “You are hereby notified that if you do not bring back a decision of guilty you will be breaking the law.”
6) Denied the jurors from seeing the Internal Revenue Code when they asked for it, thus making the jurors guilty of; “ignorance of the law is no excuse.”
7) Had Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun convicted on ‘WILLFULNESS’ which was not given in great detail of what it was.
8) Denied bail for both Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun as they were both flight risks for their promoting the TRUTH of the law, and NOT for any felony!!!
9) And he may have given an order to the city jail authorities to have both Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun be put in shackles 24 hours a day, when others around them can walk around freely without the shackles!

Thank You

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/30/2005 3:22 PM  

A message for all Americans concerned with Irwin's injustice..

If not for Irwin, for the sake of yourselves, your children, grandchildren and for all our offspring who are as yet, not even a passing thought....Irwin's Trial has proven that (left unchecked) Our Freedom is in serious danger!

Please...I implore all of you, whether you agree with Irwin's position regarding Taxes or not....take heed....if they can convict him for his BELIEF....at some future date,if they decide that a belief of yours does not fit their agenda, they can convict and incarcerate you for yours!!

At this point....this is more than about Irwin's freedom....this is about the future Freedom of all Americans!

I (as a fellow American) ask....no....plead with you.....make the effort to write your Congressman and Senators about this and express your concern for the corrupt collusion in our Judicial system. Right now it's about Irwin....tomorrow (whether you file a Tax Return or not) it could be about you!
I'll make it easy for you......go to Google and type in :
Addresses for United States Senators/congressmen....all of their e-mail addresses will pop up. If you do nothing more than copy the letter that I will post on here and e-mail it to them, you'll do your part in saving this nation.

Michael
Phx...

P.S. Are you all aware that a person is 9 times more likely to be incarcerated for filing a Tax Return than not filing? (think about it)

By Anonymous Michael, at 10/30/2005 3:29 PM  

I N S T R U C T I O N S
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To All:
Is a good post, one thing that should be added to the letter is:

Whether we as citizens have an obligation to pay taxes or not is not the issue here but rather does a citizen of America have the right to a fair trial. Certainly we did not see one with either the Dick Simkanin or the Irwin Schiff trial. Both Judges John McBryde and Kent Dawson committed crimes against humanity with their complete lack of regard for international law where every human being has the right to a fair trial.

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 3:57 PM  

Until you stop deluding yourselves, nothing will ever be accomplished.


You are right with lilly livered weak individuals like you we most certainly cannot.

To the rest of you I am glad to see the sudden change of attitude. You are beginning to see that lip service without action is a waste of time.
Here is a website that gives you the e-mails of all congress and senators and the president as well as foreign embassies.
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials
I strongly recommend contacting foreigners about the American Gestapo. Hopefully supporters of Irwin can copy and paste letters being supplied by very concerned patriots giving of their time, now common guys lets get things moving!

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 4:20 PM  

Just a point of correction.

Henry Hyde is not a Senator, he is in the house of Representaives.

Dick Armey is not in the Senate either. He WAS a member of the house, but retired several years ago.

Everybody should write to their own Senators and member of Congress to try and help Irwin.

I suspect Ron Paul and Roscoe Bartlett in the House may give us the most sympathy. I cannot think of a single Senator who likely to care. How very sad.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 4:24 PM  

Dear blog admin: The following is a reasoned, non-emotional, non-venomous rebuttal to non-liable's claims about Judge Dawson. If it's your intent to delete all dissenting posts, then this one should go too. If you're just deleting the "venom", then this post should stay. I'll let you decide.


non-liable wrote...

1) Refused to allow the Internal Revenue Code to be read in the courtroom unless it supported the prosecution.


Since when is the law ever read to the jury?


2) Sustained every objection by the prosecution when the defense was asking the questions, which was more than 80% of the defense’s questions.


If Irwin had not represented himself, this would not be the case.


3) Had only the defense’s witnesses Mirandized and not the prosecution’s witnesses.


Mirandized? That's something that happens when you're arrested, not when you testify.

4) Had only witnesses in for the defense to be questioned on the character of Irwin Schiff and nothing about his books or other materials on tax law.

His books are irrelevant to the issue of whether he committed a crime. He can't use his books as evidence of his beliefs when he is available to testify to his own beliefs.

5) Allowed the prosecution to state to the jury before they went to deliberate; “You are hereby notified that if you do not bring back a decision of guilty you will be breaking the law.”

I seriously doubt that's an exact quote. Show me the transcript.

6) Denied the jurors from seeing the Internal Revenue Code when they asked for it, thus making the jurors guilty of; “ignorance of the law is no excuse.”

The jury doesn't get to decide questions of law. That is the judge's pervue, always has been and always will be. Besides, I don't think the code books were admitted into evidence, so the judge couldn't have let them see it even if he wanted to.

7) Had Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun convicted on ‘WILLFULNESS’ which was not given in great detail of what it was.

Again, the jury convicted him, not the judge. The jury decided that Irwin was willful in his actions.

8) Denied bail for both Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun as they were both flight risks for their promoting the TRUTH of the law, and NOT for any felony!!!

I'd say they were both flight risks. They're both practically facing life sentences -- I don't think it's unusual to take a convict into custody awaiting a long sentence.

9) And he may have given an order to the city jail authorities to have both Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun be put in shackles 24 hours a day, when others around them can walk around freely without the shackles!

Irwin himself in the Mike Golden interview says that he is not in shackles 24/7 -- only when he leaves his cell.

By Anonymous schiffiswrong, at 10/30/2005 4:33 PM  

Dear Senator...
I am writing you with dire concern for the future Freedom of all Americans. Your immediate action is required!
I was raised, taught and have always believed that our country was supposed to be Governed under the "Rule of Law" and that an American accused of a crime had the right to a "fair trial" by a Jury of their peers.
The recent guilty verdict in Las Vegas regarding defendants Irwin Schiff, Cindy Nuen and Larry Cohen has either been a serious miscarriage of Justice, or I've been believing a lie about our Judicial system for 5o + years.
Although accused of violating the "law" regarding paying income tax, all three were put in the position (by federal Judge Kent Dawson) of trying to defend their good faith beliefs by being forbidden (By Judge Dawson) of speaking about the "Law." Judge Dawson Sanctioned Mr. Schiff several times anytime Mr. Schiff attempted to bring up the "law" that he supposedly violated. When the Jury asked to "see the law," the Court (Judge Dawson) refused to comply and....although the Internal Revenue Code was submitted into evidence, the Judge refused to let them examine it. Judge Dawson went on to assert..."I am the Law" and that anything Congress wrote was of "no bearing" in his courtroom !!!
Dear Senator....if that statement by Judge Dawson is correct, then respectfully, your services as a Senator and all of our Honorable Congressman are no longer needed as Judge Dawson has just declared himself the "Law" and all future legislation put forth by Congressmen and approved by Senators (such as yourself) are no longer necessary.
Dear Senator....whether Mr. Schiffs beliefs are right or wrong, as an American citizen, I'm certain you'll agree.....Mr. Schiff had the right to defend himself regarding his belief and should've been able to produce whatever documentation/legislation etc. in this attempt to support/defend his beliefs.
He was not only denied that right by Judge Dawson but also, the Jury was informed by the Good Judge that "You (the Jury) are hereby notified that if you do not bring back a decision of guilty, you will be breaking the law!"
Excuse me Dear Senator but.....do you not agree that a statement like that coming from the Bench is nothing less than absurd?
I ask.....no, I plead with you Dear Senator to take immediate action on this matter and do everything in your power to reverse this abomination of Justice and order these defendants released immediately pending their appeal..

Respectfully,

Michael
Phx

By Anonymous Michael, at 10/30/2005 4:53 PM  

schiffiswrong said...
Dear blog admin: The following is a reasoned, non-emotional, non-venomous rebuttal to non-liable's claims about Judge Dawson. If it's your intent to delete all dissenting posts, then this one should go too. If you're just deleting the "venom", then this post should stay. I'll let you decide.

Well, by his name alone, schiffiswrong believes that Judge Dawson did nothing wrong, but wait till schiffiswrong is put in front of Judge Dawson or a similar judge and then see how he reacts.

The jurors are to be presented with the LAW as that is what Schiff was charged with for violating. I have read the LAW and found that Judge Dawson’s name or any other judge’s name are NOT included, but I still have NOT be able to read the UN-WRITTEN LAW that some government officials speak of as it must be in the minds of those officials, like Judge Dawson.

What LAW did Irwin Schiff violate?

INCOME TAX EVASION IS NOT A CRIME WHICH IS LISTED UNDER TITLE 18!!!

Are you a smoker?
Then why did you NOT pay the tobacco tax as that is imposed and therefore you are liable?
Why is the ‘income’ tax the only tax which you are liable for solely because it is imposed?
All other taxes that are imposed specifically state the liability or the government will NOT proceed to enforce it, and those that do have a liability are also mentioned in TITLE 18 as a crime if you don’t comply.

As long as you pay the bribe of the NEW WORLD ORDER, in which President G.H.W. Bush stated in his speech before Congress in 1991, you will NOT have to suffer the consequences.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/30/2005 5:25 PM  

non-liable wrote...

What LAW did Irwin Schiff violate?

INCOME TAX EVASION IS NOT A CRIME WHICH IS LISTED UNDER TITLE 18!!!


Well, let's see. First of all, not all federal crimes are under title 18. Secondly, he was charged and convicted with at least one title 18 crime, and several more under title 26:

18 USC 371 (Conspiracy to defraud the United States)

26 USC 7206(2) (Aiding or assisting in the filing of false returns)

26 USC 7201 (Attempt to evade or defeat tax)

Those are all federal crimes, punishable by fines and/or imprisonment, and Schiff was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Now, if the jury was "bought & paid for" as you all contend, why did Cohen skate on all but one count? Why not lock him up for good measure?

By Blogger schiffiswrong, at 10/30/2005 6:13 PM  

Anonymous 2:50 PM wrote...

(1) Write a letter to Henry Hyde (Senator), Trent Lott (Senator), Orin Hatch (Senator), Dick Army and anyone else you can think of in the Senate. The letter should say something to the effect of:



I'm sure Representative Hyde will appreciate that you've promoted him to Senator.

P.S. Dick Armey is no longer in Congress. Shall I show you the law that says when your term is up you are no longer a US Representative?

By Blogger schiffiswrong, at 10/30/2005 6:17 PM  

It is obvious the anonymous bloggers above are either Frank Buckner in drag or do not understand free speech. This blog spot IS NOT A STREET CORNER which is where free speech should be tolerated and defended! It was set up as a private forum for Patriots to help one another. Those who do not know the difference know nothing about the Constitution! It was not set up for bored idiot to spout their venom. If you don't think the blog master is right then start your own blog spot. Personally I applaud him/her for ridding this blog spot of distractions!

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/30/2005 6:21 PM  

Irwin and Cindy need your help because a great injustice was perpetrated during the trial. Which you can learn about at
http://helliseternal6.blogspot.com
And the latest
http://helliseternal7.blogspot.com
If you are willing to help then forward this email in its entirety to everyone you know and ask them to forward it to everyone they know.
The ACLU filed a brief in support of Mr. Schiff’s fight to keep The Federal Mafia from being banned by the government.
Those of you who want to help Mr. Schiff need to help us get the ACLU involved in overturning this conviction. So stop whatever you are doing and call, write or email Gary Peck and express your concern about the way this trial was conducted.

Executive Director: Gary Peck
1700 E. Desert Inn Road, Suite 113
Las Vegas, NV 89109
Phone: 702-366-1226
Email: aclunv@anv.net

Also, we need the most well known and respected appellate attorneys in the United States, Mr. Alan Dershowitx and Mr. Barry Scheck involved. Therefore, you and everyone you know need to email, call, write or fax Mr. Dershowitz and Mr. Scheck and ask them to look into the egregious judicial misconduct demonstrated by Federal Judge Kent Dawson during Mr. Schiff’s trial.

Alan Dershowitz
Phone: (617) 495-4617
Fax: (617) 495-7855
dersh@law.harvard.edu

Barry Scheck
Innocence Project
100 Fifth Avenue, 3rd Floor
New York, NY 10011
info@innocenceproject.org
(212) 364-5340

Other informative blogs about Mr. Schiff’s trial are updated regularly and can be read at,
http://helliseternal5.blogspot.com
http://mickeydamouse.blogspot.com
http://stupefing.blogspot.com
http://helliseterna3.blogspot.com
http://mickeydamouse2.blogspot.com
http://helliseternal.blogspot.com

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/30/2005 6:25 PM  

the constitutionalist wrote...

It is obvious the anonymous bloggers above are either Frank Buckner in drag or do not understand free speech. This blog spot IS NOT A STREET CORNER which is where free speech should be tolerated and defended! It was set up as a private forum for Patriots to help one another. Those who do not know the difference know nothing about the Constitution! It was not set up for bored idiot to spout their venom. If you don't think the blog master is right then start your own blog spot. Personally I applaud him/her for ridding this blog spot of distractions!


Good idea, Con-man. I've set up my own blog for any Schiffites interested in reasoned discourse to discuss what happened at the trial. It's at schiffiswrong.blogspot.com, and I'm not censoring any dissent. Personally, I think you all have a little groupthink cult going on here, and you're determined to follow your pied piper straight to federal prison. I felt a civic duty to try to talk some sense into you and divert you from a path that can only lead to your personal ruin. Sorry.

By Blogger schiffiswrong, at 10/30/2005 6:34 PM  

Does anybody have Irwin's mail address. I assume he will be where he is until sentencing in January. I have a book I would like to send him.

By Blogger FLoA, at 10/30/2005 7:52 PM