Friday, October 28, 2005

Cindy & Irwin speak with each other from jail. Cindy Neun makes passionate call for action.

Cohen, Schiff & Neun Trial Update from Angela Stark

121 Old Comments:

Has anyone else got the inclination that "quatloos" and "Hile Hitler" may have the same meaning?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 6:12 PM  

Arguing in court about the existing code is pointless.
It's time we focus on getting rid of the IRS and the tax code all together.
It's the Fair Tax Act of 2005 HR 25/S 25
http://www.fairtax.org/

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 6:22 PM  

The existing code was not even used in the case (or any other for that matter). nothing is wrong with the laws its the lack of use of the laws thats the problem.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 6:31 PM  

Send your cards and letters of best wishes to

Irwin Schiff
c/o Las Vegas Detention Center
3200 Stewart Ave,
Las Vegas, NV 89101

and------------------------------------

274586 Cynthia Neun
2332 Las Vegas Blvd., N. Suite 200
North Las Vegas, NV 89030

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 6:41 PM  

The FairTax is a non-partisan proposal that abolishes all federal income taxes, including personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, corporate, Social Security, other payroll, and self-employment taxes, and replaces them all with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax. The FairTax dramatically changes the basis for taxation by eliminating the root of the problem: Taxing income. The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend, not on what we earn. It does not raise any more or less revenue; it is designed to be revenue neutral. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 6:41 PM  

As you are contemplating whether or how much you want to contribute to Mr. Schiff’s appeal please consider this.
How much has Mr. Schiff’s information saved you?
How much could it cost you if Mr. Schiff’s conviction is not overturned therein allowing the government Carte Blanch to refer to every illegal thing done to Mr. Schiff before and during the trial as precedent setting evidence that what they do is okay and what you claim in your defense has been found lacking in merit?
In that regard I believe if Mr. Schiff’s conviction is overturned it will open the flood gates and millions of scaredy cats will join this movement which will end the income tax for good and put all those friendly IRS agents out of a job.
After you search your conscience or figure out what is best for you send donations to;
Freedom Books
Attn: Tine
444 E. Sahara Ave
Las Vegas, NV 89104

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/28/2005 6:42 PM  

I am glad to hear Cindy so mad as she was, i hope her words motivate people who believe in what she is doing to help her and i wish them the best and i hope they get out of jail quick

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 6:43 PM  

I really feel for Cindy the way she was talking!

If the prison refuses to give Cindy the medication that was authorized by her doctor, and Judge Dawson approves of that restriction, then if anything happens physically to Cindy, criminal charges should be filed against them for malicious intent of neglect.

They should be warned of that, or else they will come back and say they knew nothing!

GET IT ON RECORD!!!

I have worked in the prison system, and there are some delays, but every prison has a doctor or nurse in them as required by law.

There is NO excuse for them to deny medication.

But any verbal threats like this could come under the U.S. Patriot Act as terrorist acts against a government official!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/28/2005 6:48 PM  

Irwin and Cindy need your help. If you are willing to help then forward this email in its entirety to everyone you know and ask them to forward it to everyone they know.
The ACLU filed a brief in support of Mr. Schiff’s fight to keep The Federal Mafia from being banned by the government.
Those of you who want to help Mr. Schiff need to help us get the ACLU involved in overturning this conviction. So stop whatever you are doing and call, write or email Gary Peck and express your concern about the way this trial was conducted.

Executive Director: Gary Peck
1700 E. Desert Inn Road, Suite 113
Las Vegas, NV 89109
Phone: 702-366-1226
Email: aclunv@anv.net

Also, we need the most well known and respected appellate attorneys in the United States, Mr. Alan Dershowitx and Mr. Barry Scheck involved. Therefore, you and everyone you know need to email, call, write or fax Mr. Dershowitz and Mr. Scheck and ask them to look into the egregious judicial misconduct demonstrated by Federal Judge Kent Dawson during Mr. Schiff’s trial.

Alan Dershowitz
Phone: (617) 495-4617
Fax: (617) 495-7855
dersh@law.harvard.edu

Barry Scheck
Innocence Project
100 Fifth Avenue, 3rd Floor
New York, NY 10011
info@innocenceproject.org
(212) 364-5340

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/28/2005 6:49 PM  

Arguing in court about the existing code is pointless.
It's time we focus on getting rid of the IRS and the tax code all together.
It's the Fair Tax Act of 2005 HR 25/S 25
http://www.fairtax.org/

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Totally agree..the Federal Courts are corrupt ..legislation is needed to get this cancer out of the affairs of all Americans. The question now is will the U.S. Congress be as corrupt as the Federal Courts??....I'm not to hopeful in HR-SR 25. The U.S. Congress luvs the $2 trillion that they are racking in every year.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 7:09 PM  

Mike the radio rebel has no clue what he is talking about. His facts are all wrong!

1. Neun's attorney stated in his opening statemnet that Neun was finished with all the tax matters, Irwin and all other's related to the tax movement.

2. So now she is posting to the blogs making her attorney look like a liar and her self.

3. Neun is not in any Federal pen she is in another city dentention center.

4. Neun lied about the money of inheritance to the court and there for what she says cannot be believed!

5. Neun has not benn in a wheel chair for well over 15 years. Not recently as Mike want to claim.

6. Mike the radio rebel did no pay for Irwins new attorney from chicago it is Irwin's son whom is paying and has paid for the attorney to come in from Chicago.

GET YOU FACTS STRAIGHT!

By Anonymous paco, at 10/28/2005 7:16 PM  

Paco,
Whats your source to all these facts?
That is a sincere question

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 7:27 PM  

Schiff cannot seek relief for failure to file pretrial motions or bill's of particulars. He was his own representation so therefore he and he alone is to blame for his mishandleing of his own defense.

Schiff was his own incompetent counsel!

Schiff also loves no-one but himself. If he cared so much he would have paid for counsel for the other 2 defendants since it is his fault they are now involved!

By Anonymous Teto, at 10/28/2005 7:30 PM  

competent sources

By Anonymous paco, at 10/28/2005 7:32 PM  

Neun has no-one to blame but herself. She proves each and everyday to the court that she cannot be trusted, is not finished with the so-called tax protestor movement. She will be in jail till sentencing. They will however take her to the court house for her injuction hearing. She won't missout on that. So if she wants to be able to defend herself in the injunction she better get an attorney or be real good so she can get library time.

By Anonymous Spanky, at 10/28/2005 7:36 PM  

First, it's "Heil", not "Hile", if you're going to attempt to show the world that you're witty and intelligent, try a little harder.

Secondly, the "people" (especially those that were ripped off by Schiff) really don't care about Irwin Schiff.

Why Cindy felt the need to continue to stroke Irwin' ego is beyond me.

Cindy is pissed at you "monday morning quarterbacks"...Larry Cohen is "highly suspicious"...

Nobody cares about Irwin Schiff or Cindy Neun, except Mike the Radio Retard, how special.

By Anonymous Victim of Irwin Schiff, at 10/28/2005 7:59 PM  

Mike Golden the radio RETARD is just trying to make a name for himself in the so-called psycho tax-protestor, patriot movement. He is trying to just become their exhaulted new high almight leader and saviour!

One STUPID self-proclaimed so-called patriot leader is takin' down and another Idiot steps up to take his place!

They are all from the Island of BUFOONS!

By Anonymous Spanky, at 10/28/2005 8:06 PM  

To: The Blog Master,
It’s my understanding the blog site was setup to inform people and allow for helpful information from people who support Mr. Schiff and Cindy. If so, please monitor it and remove all comments which have nothing to do with the situation, are very long blogs which take up way too much space or are meant to be hateful or to pass on disinformation or lies about Mr. Schiff. The people who support Mr. Schiff and Cindy thank you in advance.

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/28/2005 8:11 PM  

Cindy said she is flippin the bird to all of you!

The bird has been flipping around in that emty head of hers for years!

She says that Sh*T is really stinking around there! Yea all that bird SH*T in her head!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 8:13 PM  

The Constitutionalist want to ban FREEDOM OF SPEECH on the Blog!

Evryone has a right to their opinion here "Constitutionalist".

Just because they don't agree with the views of many of us here they have a right to be heard regardless of what they have to say in their opinion.

Doing what you are asking is the same as the government banning Schiff's book which we all agree is a violation of FREE SPEECH.

Just ignore thos posts as I that you find irrelevant.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 8:17 PM  

Neun wants to complain that no evidence was enterd by the defense. That is her fault and her fault alone for not testifying if she wanted to have her evidence for reliance admitted!

By Anonymous tweeter, at 10/28/2005 8:23 PM  

Anonymous said
"Arguing in court about the existing code is pointless. It's time we focus on getting rid of the IRS and the tax code all together. It's the Fair Tax Act of 2005 HR 25/S 25 http://www.fairtax.org/"

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I don't think you get it. You want to validate this present code of slavery to the free. You are either free in this land or a slave. Slaves have only granted rights. They can beg their masters for relief. That is where you wish to, by your frustration, with this so-called solution to place all into. (if not all already there.) It was legislation that created this mess in the first place. Have you really bothered to see what this "fair tax" will do?

It's been a while since I last looked, however I get the impression that the fair tax will over charge you. You can then submit forms to recover what they already have. How is that different? The only difference is you will have given your permission to the fraud and as well become a perpetrator of the new fraud.

Your plan can only occur if the Fed wishes to give up what it has now. That is Peter robbing Paul and giving it "voluntarily" to the FED. Why would the Fed give up knowing what it knows about you?

In your plan you might possibly keep anonymous if you don't file for a refund. That is let them rob you blind.

The present code (considered law by the sheep) doesn't apply to the free. Yet, they treat us as if slaves and force us to heel as if dogs as well. I treat my dog better. So somehow if you negotiate with the abuser he will then honor his offer. Sounds like co-dependence to me. Have you ever felt sorry when a person in an abusive relationship says, “if only I understood my spouse I would not be beaten.” You argue in the same way and it is pathetic. Give us a break. You have an un/inalienable right to be free. Your freedom cannot be legislated. You either are free or you negotiate with the terrorist or master.

Why do you think we are not told what is so obvious? Let them dare call us slaves. They cannot as of yet as the net of tyranny is not quite complete. You like to help them along?

Here it is confirmed and agreed to and not granted. It says, “Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law”. You wish to become a slave to the law (subject - one subject to a monarch and governed by the monarch's law). (vassal 1 : a person under the protection of a feudal lord to whom he has vowed homage and fealty : a feudal tenant (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/vassal)

Yick Wo v. Hopkins
Submitted April 14, 1886
Decided May 10, 1886
118 U.S.356

“When we consider the nature and the theory of our
institutions of government, the principles upon which they are
supposed [118 U.S. 370] to rest, and review the history of their
development, we are constrained to conclude that they do not
mean to leave room for the play and action of purely personal and
arbitrary power.

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but, in our system,
while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of
government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom
and for whom all government exists and acts.


And the law is the
definition and limitation of power.


It is, indeed, quite true that
there must always be lodged somewhere, and in some person or
body, the authority of final decision, and in many cases of mere
administration, the responsibility is purely political, no appeal
lying except to the ultimate tribunal of the public judgment,
exercised either in the pressure of opinion or by means of the
suffrage.

But the fundamental rights to life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness, considered as individual possessions, are
secured by those maxims of constitutional law

which are the monuments showing the victorious progress of the race insecuring to men the blessings of civilization under the reign of just and equal laws, so that, in the famous language of the Massachusetts Bill of Rights, the government of the commonwealth "may be a government of laws, and not of men."
For the very idea that one man may be compelled to hold his life,
or the means of living, or any material right essential to the
enjoyment of life at the mere will of another seems to be
intolerable in any country where freedom prevails, as being the
essence of slavery itself.”


Be careful what you ask for. I don’t want it so don’t ask it for me either.

As you wrote, "Arguing in court about the existing code is pointless". Enough said there.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/28/2005 8:28 PM  

I give in to the extortion. I was told as a little kid, you cn't beat city hall. I at least thought, if you abided by the US Supreme Court decisions, and the IRC and the regulations, and abided by the Bible, you would do well. Judge Dawson, just showed me that you must do as I say, and give no credence to the prior decisions of the US Supreme Court, or the statues, or regulations. Especially when it come to income taxes.

I guess he can get away with it. So far Judge Dawson has. Check out the transcript to the trial, I guarantee, that they edited out everything positive for the defense.

I quit,(not because Irwin was wrong, I know he was not) I'm joining Quatloo, because its better to lick some ass, than to be put in jail, albeit illegally in Irwin and Cindy's case.

Quatloo know Irwin is correct in his stance, they also know that the system will not allow him to win and will do illegal things to ensure know one breaks the system.

Its all a SCAM, we all know it. Now lets all pay the extortion tax and get on with our lives. They win, and we lose.

NOW if you still want to win, then organize a Million person Tax Honesty Movement peace March.
You better do it soon. If not then go back and pay the extortion tax.

Most of you see the injustice, but you all saw this coming. Did any of you ever go to the court and hold up just one sign in protest? probably not. Most of you probably did nothing, but prayed really hard. Don't you know that faith without works is dead?

Get up, get organized and doing something. A peacful protest is march is powerful. Take the lead somebody?

Mama's out, I'm going to the Quatloo side (Holding my nose, I'll get use to the stench)I have to feed my babies. Your SIDE ONLY WINED AND CRIED AND DID NOTHING even though you have the knowledge of the truth.

By Anonymous Yo Mama, at 10/28/2005 8:37 PM  

Now what if Irwin, Cindy, and Larry would have WON?

Would you praise them for what they did, or would you just say they were lucky to get away with it?

Some of you that think you are know-it-alls fill out your tax returns and claim as many deductions as you can to get away with not paying the tax.

I believe that is more of a FRAUD then what Irwin is trying to promote, which is trying to inform you of the TRUTH on why you don’t have to pay.

Why did it take 29 years for the withholding tax to be implemented?

Why did the Constitutional 2 year tax, the Victory Tax, suddenly become the Individual Income Tax, which has now lasted 61 years after the Victory Tax Act was repealed?

Why were U.S. Treasury Notes recalled by LBJ after JKF’s assassination?

If you don’t see the true picture then I won’t waist my time as you probably won’t listen anyways!

I have been a follower of Schiff for 4 ½ years and have lost my job because of it, but I know that the employer was coerced into believing that claiming EXEMPT, or even me receiving letters from the IRS, is considered committing a crime and they did not want anything to do with it.

I still back Schiff up and would gladly financially support him if I had the funds.

What are you going to do when it will be totally ‘voluntary’ to take the mirco-RFID-chip implant or go to prison for not protecting the security of the nation?

This is the first step to track your moves, but prisoners, including Irwin and Cindy will receive the microchips implanted in them.

All US passports to be RFID chipped
http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/rfid_all_us_passports_to_be_rfid_chipped.htm

By the way, illegal aliens do NOT need these chips as they are NOT U.S. citizens at this time, but Bush will give them amnesty so in time they just might receive them once they have settled into your neighborhood.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/28/2005 8:42 PM  

If schiff would have been found not guilty on all counts it still means nothing.

He was charged with WILLFUL on all counts.

So if found not guilty it would have been not guilty of WILLFULNESS and WILLFULLNESS only.

The case did not address whether he does or does not owe the tax. or any other such issue.

This shows how stupid the so-called tax patriots are.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 8:49 PM  

non-liable,

Is that a black helicopter I see hovering over your trailer park? Quick! Duck!

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/28/2005 8:51 PM  

WHAT’S IN THE MEASING OF A WORD?

Willfulness, voluntary, & mandatory!

Voluntary; Someone can optionally agree to do something, but if they refuse to agree then they will have to suffer the consequences!

Mandatory; Someone must agree to do something, but if they refuse to agree then they will have to suffer the consequences!

Willfulness; Someone has chosen to do something, but if they choose to make that choice in opposition then they will have to suffer the consequences!

Schiff willfully failed to file tax returns reporting that he conned the American people in NOT paying the ‘income’ tax on a form 1040 that is NOT required by the Office of Management and Budget, OMB 1545-0074, under 26 IRC 602.101 for a tax which they do NOT owe!

HE REFUSED TO CONFESS TO COMMIT A CRIME WHICH DOES NOT EXIST UNDER TITLE 18!!!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/28/2005 8:53 PM  

Frank Buckner:

You Quack Me Up!

By Anonymous Teto, at 10/28/2005 8:54 PM  

non-liable said...

"WHAT’S IN THE MEASING OF A WORD?"

I don't know non-liable what is the "MEASING" of a word?

I didn't know word had a "MEASING"!

Graduated 2nd grade didn't ya there non-liable.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 8:58 PM  

Sorry about that, it should be MEANING!

I haven’t seen too many other complaints of misspelling or grammar by others!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/28/2005 9:08 PM  

Quatloo, where do I sign up, I want to join your side? I don't agree with you, but man I want to eat. At least the IRS isn't f&cking with you guys. I want the peace. Where is your camp dude?

By Anonymous Yo Mama, at 10/28/2005 9:40 PM  

Yo Mama said...
Quatloo, where do I sign up, I want to join your side? I don't agree with you, but man I want to eat. At least the IRS isn't f&cking with you guys. I want the peace. Where is your camp dude?



It's easy to avoid problems with the IRS. Pay your taxes.

Cindy was right about one thing. They never stood a chance. Not for any corruption or fixed trial -- just because their position was plain WRONG!

By Anonymous schiffiswrong, at 10/28/2005 9:57 PM  

Ronald Reagan said ...

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be
fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

If you are willing to give up your freedom for security you don't deserve either.

It will take courage to stand up to the IRS but if you have any hope of freedom for your children then YOU MUST!

It is only by our willing compliance that they are able to do what they do!

Those who are willing to appease the IRS and others that would take your freedom don't deserve their freedom.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 9:58 PM  

Did Irwin actually complain about ineffective counsel? Did I hear that right?

Considering he acted pro se, I actually have found one thing that Irwin has ever said that I agree with.

PS. Mod, if you're going to accept anonymous comments, turn off word verification, it's a pain in the ass...No pun intended, Irwin.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/28/2005 10:17 PM  

Any one who follows Irwin knows why no common lawyer, no member of the bar, would ever be permitted to represent Schiff. Schiff has been effectively stripped of his right to counsel. And still he is upbeat and positive. A true American hero.

What Irwin needs is a lawyer equal in stature to himself. His *lawyer* at the trial was terrified of Irwin. Had the coward any stones, he would have realized the opportunity for fame and glory had Irwin won.

Perry Mason anyone?

By Anonymous Frank #uckner, at 10/28/2005 11:08 PM  

Teto said...
Schiff cannot seek relief for failure to file pretrial motions or bill's of particulars. He was his own representation so therefore he and he alone is to blame for his mishandleing of his own defense.

Since when in society does an individual have to know the law in order to defend themselves. What law other than scumbag American law forces an innocent citizen to spend their hard earned wages on a defense? The law is supposed to be logical, but not American laws just look at the deceitful Internal Revenue Code designed to confuse us in order for the government to carry out this great hoax. Our creator gave us ten laws each one as different as night and day, but all with a very clear understanding for the simplest of society to understand. Our creator did not say. Thy shall not help yourself and Thou shall not take another persons belongings and Thou shall not consider thy neighbors belongings to be yours and these three were meant to mean you must not steal. He simply said Thou Shall Not Steal. Since when do we need three laws to be passed to make one law lawful except in that filthy scumbag Dawson’s court? Why haven’t the government passed a law that says. The government has the right to collect taxes from your wages. One reason and one reason alone the founding fathers in the Articles of the Constitution protected the citizens from that type of servitude.
I tell you idiots that support this tyrant government you are putting a yoke around yours and your children’s neck. This is the beginning of the Gestapo this government will commit more heinous crimes against humanity than the Germans ever did before it’s sordid history is over.

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 11:11 PM  

Not only did Irwin lose, but all the other zero income filers lost their reliance defense.

That's the bad thing about hitching your wagon to Irwin's star -- when it went down, you went down with it.

Expect public support for Irwin to be identical to that given to Lynne Meredith last year, i.e., none. In a couple of months, people will have forgotten all about Irwin, just like nobody talks about Lynne anymore.

Strange but absolutely true.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/28/2005 11:35 PM  

"Quatloos" Victim of Irwin Schiff.

Apparently the connection between "quatloos" and Hile/Heil Hitler hit a nerve didn't it? I just wonder though, whose boots do you lick? I hope the chains of slavery rest lightly upon you. Your council however is not needed.

From your point of view let's measure the consequences for those who "ripped off", as you say, compared to the IRS/FED that “rip off” and their consequences. Gee can you tell us what kind of jail time and penalties the IRS gestapo goons suffer. Let's see there was the 1998 hearings or so-called “restructuring” in which nothing happened.

Documented and recorded evidence of the fraud and theft can be read in "The Power to Destroy”, by William Nixon and former Senator William Roth now deceased. Recorded video of IRS agents. Yet none of the massive abuse, theft, wrecking of lives (on going even to this day) is suffered by these so-called GS government servants. Which one of them is sentenced to spend 40 years in jail?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/tax/stories/irs050198.htm
You know I just remembered something, the IRS agent who conspired to frame and defraud Senator Howard Baker and friends in Tennessee. His punishment was great. They transferred him to another area at the same pay scale.

Now the IRS Agent who reported the fraud he was rewarded with early retirement.
http://www.conservativenews.org/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200305%5CNAT20030513a.html
"IRS management does what it wants, to whom it wants, when it wants, how it wants with almost complete immunity," retired Internal Revenue Service official Tommy Henderson told the U.S. Senate Finance Committee.

“IRS Abuse” on Google shows 15,900 hits. That is of course is just the stories of reported abuse. How about those as you say that comply, who haven’t a clue, the resources, money or the time to fix it. They just give in. Your heart just bleeds for them. Were you one of those with an IRS problem who didn’t have a clue?

You low-life boot licker. I know first hand of the abuse and I have the recorded audio as evidence of it. A typical IRS gestapo goon didn't bother to read what I wrote in a so-called CDPH. When it became clear to me that he didn't even understand his own IRM I asked to postpone the "hearing" and speak to an attorney. He denied me that self-evident right in spite of the clear language of Section 7521. This tells the IRS goon what to do when a self-evident right is claimed. It did eventually cause this goon problems. The next time we met he was actually cordial to me.

Well I spent $700 on Schiff products and I got the education I never received in the public fool system. Talk about rip offs.

Let's, as you say, Schiff ripped me off for $700. This is far less than 1% of whatever the government continues to rip me off for. My money went “voluntarily” to Schiff. I read all of his disclaimers and he personally told me the risks. So he selected me, someone he probably does not remember, and told me the truth. And you who writes so eloquently, witty and intelligently quick to point out grammatical and spelling errors he lied to and/or you didn’t read or understand the disclaimers. I find that fantastic or you’re a fraud.

So what are you then, one of those “suckers born every day” or just a plain old fraud?

You know I’m fairly confident I’ve made grammatical errors in this post even spelling errors as well. Any critique from you will help with the lack thereof I received from the public fool system. I never made it to college and I know that it is glaringly apparent. I will be humbly grateful even so. I think as well though that perhaps in addition to being ripped of by Irwin Schiff as you claim, you should get a refund from your previous educators and institutions. They ripped you off I believe. Although it clear you write well, it seems also clear that your comprehension and reading skills are lacking when it comes to disclaimers and risks.

Or you’re a fraud, unless you’re a lawyer with the built in ability to give new meaning to obvious words including obvious definitions to words established by law or ever your code. Then again does that equate to you being a fraud? I’m speaking as a common man as I understand it, to you it is relative truth. You know 1+1 can equal 2 or 3 or 4 or more depending upon the legal perspective.

Of course I don’t have your ability to write, however I do think writing poorly or otherwise is about communicating thoughts, ideas, truth and emotions. I hope I was able to do that for you to your satisfaction.

By the way on your way out the door say hi to the professor and Danny Boy at quatloos.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/28/2005 11:37 PM  

Wow Anonymous(e)2:

That post of yours was totally scary. Was spittle flying from your lips onto the computer screen as you were typing?

So, being ripped off "a little" by Schiff is ok? What a major moron you have proven yourself to be.

Justify it any way you wish. Schiff ripped off people left and right and left victims (apparently even those as stupid as you who forgive him) lying in his wake.

By Anonymous Victim of Irwin Schiff, at 10/29/2005 12:22 AM  

Hey Frank #uckner.

The real Frank here. I've found something to help you out with your obvious delusional problems. Follow this link.

Hey, don't thank me, it's the least I can do for the mentally handicapped.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/29/2005 12:29 AM  

It's ironic that if you were an honest taxpayer and felt ripped-off because people like Mr. Schiff don't pay, then you had better think again about this argument. If you are a U.S. Citizen or Resident and only had investment income with "no trade or business" in the U.S., then you were not only ripped-off, but discriminated against by your own Gvt. You see the U.S. Congress has created loopholes in the tax code to allow Non-Resident Aliens to be exempt on investment income in U.S. Bank and Brokerage accounts so long as they don't have a "trade or business" in the U.S. You argue that they pay on these transactions in their domicile...wrong again because the 1042-S filing from the witholding agents only reports tax taken from dividends and exempt portfolio interest...all those capital gain transactions on equities are not reported to anyone. Can you say welcome to the U.S. tax haven for Non-Resident Aliens? Therefore, when you get angry at people like Mr. Schiff, you better take a look at the U.S. Congress who has committed an act of "Conspiracy To Defraud" U.S. Citizens and Residents. The U.S. Congress has also committed an act of "Restrictive Monopoly Power" since they have enforced a worldwide income taxation scheme that does not legally allow U.S. Citizens and Residents to receive the same 'tax haven' benefits in another domicile. I have most likely paid more taxes than anyone on this board, including all Quatloos members, and I have no grievances against Mr. Schiff because the crimes that the U.S. Congress have committed against myself through the tinkering of the U.S. Tax Code is obscene. I would love to bring these charges against the U.S. Congress, but since the U.S. Federal Courts have been corrupted and no longer abide by the LAW, the only option for LAW ABIDING U.S. Citizens and Residents is to leave the U.S. with their capital and never return.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 12:38 AM  

You have a Miranda Warning for the filing of Form 1040, but can you be arrested and prosecuted for willfully failing to refuse to give the information?

Then what is the use of the Miranda Warning if you are going to prison regardless of your choice?

Can a police officer ask you to speak while being arrested after he gave you your Miranda Warning and then have you charged for your willfulness of refusing to speak, with the judge giving you harsher penalties for your willfulness to refuse? NO!!!

This did happened to Irwin and Cindy!!!

The IRS’s own 1040 booklet states our rights, but then they prosecute us for willfulness in complying with those rights!

In the instruction booklet for filling out and signing a Form 1040 which is published by the IRS is the following statement:

The IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, the Privacy Act of 1974, and the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980 require that when we ask you for information we must first tell you our legal right to ask for the information, why we are asking for it, and how it will be used. We must also tell you what could happen if we do not receive it and whether your response is voluntary, required to obtain a benefit, or mandatory under the law.

This notice applies to all papers you file with us, including this tax return. It also applies to any questions we need to ask you so we can complete, correct, or process your return; figure your tax; and collect tax, interest, or penalties.

Our legal right to ask for information is Internal Revenue Code sections 6001, 6011, and 6012(a) , which require you to file a return or statement with us for any tax you are liable for. Your response is mandatory under these sections. Code section 6109 requires that you provide your social security number or individual taxpayer identification number on what you file. This is so we know who you are, and can process your return and other papers. You must fill in all parts of the tax form that apply to you. But you do not have to check the boxes for the Presidential Election Campaign Fund or for the third party designee. You also do not have to provide your daytime phone number.

You are not required to provide the information requested on a form that is subject to the Paperwork Reduction Act unless the form displays a valid OMB control number. Books or records relating to a form or its instructions must be retained as long as their contents may become material in the administration of any Internal Revenue law.

We ask for tax return information to carry out the tax laws of the United States. We need it to figure and collect the right amount of tax.

If you do not file a return, do not give the information asked for, or give false information, you may be charged penalties and be subject to criminal prosecution. We may also have to disallow the exemptions, credits, or deductions shown on your tax return. This could make the tax higher or delay any refund. Interest may also be charged.


Are they just being polite? NO!

What OMB number applies to a form that goes along with IRC Section 1 where the tax is imposed, or with IRC Section 61 where the tax is defined? There is NONE!!!

Did you know that President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld both agree with the torture of inmates at Abu Ghraib prison in order to get the answers to the truth, which are probably lies as they were tortured to get it!

This is a New World Order law that is going in place and it will apply here in the States once it is passed by Congress.

When you received a bottle of wine from you employer at Christmas was it something in which you paid a: gift tax, alcohol tax, or even income tax?

Is this Miranda Warning full of bull?
Then we have NO rights!!!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/29/2005 12:44 AM  

First of all , Irwin never ripped anyone off. He is so passionate in his beliefs and his theories. While he may have touched on some elements of truth, there is reason to believe he would still be found guilty regardless of the legitimacy of his argument.Figuratively speaking, Irwin as most are still considered a taxpayer as defined by the code. Read the Handbook for Special Agents and the secret is there. It is clear what to do. They tell you how not to be a taxpayer. Good Luck.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 1:54 AM  

Talked to some people & they informed me that the way to get rid of evil in a person is to send them a case of green onions with 3 large cloves of garlic inside with the onions.Has anyone done this? They told me that bush didn't like califlower,& someone sent him 10 cases,but it should have been onions.Is this true?Told them it might be someone in a court house, car dealership or church they said to sent 10 cases a day for ten days.I told them they were stupid & it sounds like witchcraft. they said exactly, it will work every time.To send it to every place the person stays or goes. It's suppose to remove that persons curse.These people were black floks.They informed me that i was the stupid one.It worked in new orleans.I ask them about the flood & they said that was Gods work & that he removed them from a evil place. CRAZY! They said that each plant has a cure for something.Can you believe this? Looks like i do not know very much.I am not black,I dont think.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 2:07 AM  

"First of all , Irwin never ripped anyone off. He is so passionate in his beliefs and his theories. While he may have touched on some elements of truth, there is reason to believe he would still be found guilty regardless of the legitimacy of his argument.Figuratively speaking, Irwin as most are still considered a taxpayer as defined by the code. Read the Handbook for Special Agents and the secret is there. It is clear what to do. They tell you how not to be a taxpayer. Good Luck."
_________________________
Agreed...after years of seeing Irwin go at this beast, I think this is more about his belief that the income tax has killed the U.S. economy than arguing about whether someone is liable to file a tax return or pay the tax. The fact is Irwin was right from the get-go in 1968..look at what we have today...a Debt-GDP ratio at well over 400% (note even before the 1929-32' crash was it this massive), an economy with a GDP that is 75% now based on services rather than manufacturing...Parasitic CPA's, overpriced attorneys, corrupt judges and politicians...I mean what else does it take to convince someone that Irwin has been right all along...the U.S. Income Tax has destroyed the U.S. economy by pushing our manufacturing offshore and driving the populace deeply into debt...the next phase is going to be a massive deflationary collapse of the U.S. and world eocnomies from all these 70 years of debt which is going to make the 1930's look like a cakewalk.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 2:23 AM  

Everyone should keep their eyes and ears open for any ‘income’ tax case that comes up, especially in the 9th District.

They may want to use Schiff’s case as reference to convict others in similar, or non-similar, cases.

Why don’t they just get everyone through with their trials before the sentencing or appeal, but they will have a lot of explaining to do if Schiff wins his appeal.

Yes, they refuse to allow U.S. Supreme Court in defense of Schiff, but it is alright to use Schiff’s case against others.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/29/2005 2:51 AM  

cj what would do if all the people that didnt like paying income tax sent you green onoins & garlic for ten days?How many cases would that be?,may be 50,000 a day for ten days.50,000 a day would keep some one very busy.Where would you put all those onions & garlic?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 3:19 AM  

They say the system works what a load of rubbish. Even when Irwin and Cindy are awarded another trial because of this monster Dawson’s behavior they have suffered at the hands of the system. That is all the government cared about not justice they want to punish them because Irwin dared to oppose them. We have seen these rotten swine’s do worse because a madman David Koresh dared to oppose them this government murdered 17 children in WACO. When Randy Weaver opposed them at Ruby Ridge they murdered his wife while she sat in her living room and when the fifteen year old son ran out they cut him down as well.
Are you not ashamed citizens of America why are you so quite when all around you the Gestapo have started bullying you, we should not be raising money to defend other Truth N Taxation protesters they have to be martyrs. We should be raising money to start noticeable action. There has to be public awareness we have to cost the government money. Are blacks the only ones with any courage in this country we have seen what they did after the Rodney King beating trial and god knows Irwin is innocent Rodney King was not although he did not deserve the beating he got at the hands of the Gestapo.
If we don’t start a conflict with the government now Irwin may well rot and die in prison. Get out your comfort zone citizens of America THE GESTAPO IS AT YOUR DOOR!!!

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 7:25 AM  

can someone here please show me how to file a habeas corpus...Cindy mentioned it could be done online...has anyone here filed one on their behalf?

thank you...

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 8:05 AM  

I posted previous post of Habeas Corpus...it states here that it can be filed by the prisoner..is this true?....then why is Cindy asking for people to file for her?...confused...

Prisoners often seek release by filing a petition for a writ of habeas corpus. A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody.

A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error. Habeas corpus petitions are usually filed by persons serving prison sentences (that is why a lawyer cannot do it [himself] could not do it, the inmate must do it).

The writ's sole function is to release an individual from unlawful imprisonment. The writ tests only whether a prisoner has been accorded due process, not whether he is guilty. The most common present-day usage of the writ is to appeal state criminal convictions to the federal courts when the petitioner believes his constitutional rights were violated by state procedure. An individual incarcerated in a state prison is expected to exhaust all possible routes available before applying to a federal judge for habeas corpus.

That is "in general terms" what it means.. i also found you a link that has a wealth of information within it's contents:


http://home.flash.net/~ur2good/chapter1.htm

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 8:17 AM  

anon. 10/29/2005 4:19 AM
said -cj what would do if all the people that didnt like paying income tax sent you green onoins & garlic for ten days?How many cases would that be?,may be 50,000 a day for ten days.50,000 a day would keep some one very busy.Where would you put all those onions & garlic?

CJ HERE. I'm not sure as to the exact nature of your question, is it a math question?
1.
Each person sends how many green onions and how much garlic?
2.
How many cases of what? a. Green onions, b. Garlic, c. mixture of both
3.
Very busy doing what? a. selling green onions and garlic at the local farmers market? b. cooking lots of meals for the homeless using green onions and garlic? c. handing out greens onions and garlic to hurricane victims for use in soup?
4.
Well, if various people sent me, as your post not so clearly states, an undetermined amount of green onions and garlic everyday - depending on what that undisclosed amount would be, I would have to find room in my pantry, or build a shed or rent a warehouse.

I hope I answered your question, on point. I try to stay on point.
CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 8:23 AM  

At least Mr. Schiff is putting himself in harms way for what he believes. Are you willing to do it. The only way things will every change is for neartly everyone to let these politicians and judges know thyat their behavior is no longer acceptable and that will not stay in power, if they do not serve the people. If they don't conform, get people to run for office who will serve the people and help get them elected. You must put self servers out and people servers in. It is really that simple. Only you and everyopne else can make it happen. get involved and Liberty and Justice for all.

By Blogger WAKE UP NATION, at 10/29/2005 8:31 AM  

It was posted that IRS Commish. Everson stated, in part, "...paying taxes is the price of CITIZENSHIP..."

Which citizenship? Does a Swedish person, who takes up residence in America but has income but NOT EFFECTIVLY CONNECTED INCOME pay “income” tax to the U.S.? NO. Why not? Because he or she has citizenship primary of Sweden. Now if that same Swedish person begins to collect “income” that is EFFECTIVELY CONNECTED to the US, would that Swedish person have to pay tax to the US? YES. Why, because that person would have taxable income. NOW, If a US Citizen collects income in the US does he or she have to pay a tax? YES. Why? Because the US citizen, in the example, is mandated to pay the tax and because of primary citizenship that person is liable and has Effectively Connected income. Remember the Swedish person, or NON US CITIZEN, may be in America but does not have “Effectively Connected” income and thus doesn’t pay the tax.

What citizens are shown, in the IRS database as having SS numbers? US CITIZENS and resident aliens. Define US CITIZEN in law…no not citizen alone as one joker once did, but US CITIZEN! Cite your evidence.

So, by the example above, you see that there are two main issues – 1. the income has to be Effectively Connected to the US 2. CITIZENSHIP

Mr. Everson said, and correctly so…that paying tax is the price [directly related to] of CITIZENSHIP. [explanation added]

You can learn much by removing your primary focus from Title 26 and move to Title 8 and to Title 42, both not “positive” law just as Title 26. gee isn’t that a coincidence.

Remember this also. The Fed. Reserve Note is evidence of a debt. One cannot pay with debt. One can only discharge a debt.

The first sword is Citizenship. The second is money and commerce.

How can a debt [income received in form of debt] be taxed? [Rhetorical question designed to stimulate thought] CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 8:52 AM  

"Read not to contradict and confute…nor to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider." Sir Francis Bacon

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 9:32 AM  

Associated Press :
With more than 38 million Americans too poor to buy adequate food, the US Congress has begun to take away the food stamps many of them receive.

The action came as the US Government reported that the number of people who are hungry because they can't afford to buy enough food rose to 38.2 million in 2004, an increase of seven million in five years.

The cuts, approved by the Republican-controlled committee on a party-line vote, are part of an effort by Republicans to curb federal spending by $US50 billion ($65.7 billion).

[OK, don’t address the issue of debt money, citizenship and taxes to actually fix the problem, instead – “Let them eat cake!”]

The above solution offered by your Corporate Federal Government!

TITLE 28 PART VI CHAPTER 176 SUBCHAPTER A § 3002 (15)
“United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
___________________________________
(14) “State” means any of the several States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas, or any territory or possession of the United States.

Beware when reading. Always seek in context - is it the Federal corporation state meaning D.C., Puerto Rico etc… or one of the “several States” meaning Virginia, Kentucky etc…

Anybody catching on yet? CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 9:49 AM  

John:

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you don't know how to defend yourself then get an attorney. But as usual Schiff knows it all and proved it!

He's in the pen and never getting out!

By Anonymous teto, at 10/29/2005 10:04 AM  

Anonymous said...
cj what would do if all the people that didnt like paying income tax sent you green onoins & garlic for ten days?How many cases would that be?,may be 50,000 a day for ten days.50,000 a day would keep some one very busy.Where would you put all those onions & garlic?



Well I have a suggestion where to put it....

By Anonymous schiffiswrong, at 10/29/2005 10:11 AM  

Anonymous John said...
If we don’t start a conflict with the government now Irwin may well rot and die in prison. Get out your comfort zone citizens of America THE GESTAPO IS AT YOUR DOOR!!!



White Knight!

White Knight!

Come get the medicine!

Hurry hurry hurry!

By Anonymous schiffiswrong, at 10/29/2005 10:14 AM  

When Pres. Clinton tried to teach people that meaning, usage and syntax of words are critical, most laughed. Ex: “IS” This word, although normally referring to the present, often has a future meaning, but is not synonymous with “shall have been.” It may have, however, a past signification, as in the sense of “has been.” Black’s Law Dict. 6th ed.

So what “State” are you in? What “state” of mind? What “state” of reference? Are you in the Federal “State?” Are you in one of the several “States?” Are you a citizen of a “State?” Which “State?” To what does that “State” belong? Do you owe a tax based on your CITIZENSHIP? What does the record reflect? [questions you must answer for yourself, it you care to. NO one can answer for YOU]

For reference see my above post containing Title 28 definitions. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 10:25 AM  

Easy to see that those two, who post after my 10:49 post DON'T CARE to know or consider what "state" they are in.

Their posts reflect the "state" of mind beneath consideration, humility and dignity.

Their "state" of being/existence is that of ridicule, self-righteousness and other forms of debauchery. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 10:40 AM  

ANON2 I have saved your posts for continued consideration. CJ

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 10:41 AM  

To: Frank Buckner and the people that stand for corruption and cower to higher powers that do wrong.

You are not human and you have no common sense. You are obviously a mindless, heartless, self-preserving coward that put yourself above or below the realm of human beings. You believe the "people" to be cattle. You support or fear too much, the use of intimidation to strive and perpetuate evils under the color of law for personal gain and for the interest of the government and not for the interest of the "people."

I pray God help you!!! I pray God change your heart and mind!!!

I warn you: People like you are not allowed in the Kingdom of Heaven, but in the lake of fire that upholds permanent destruction of the wicked, along with the devil, his minions, his thinking, and his system.

God warns us not to look this way upon his judgement! His justice is the one that matters!!!!!!!!!!!!

God shows NO mercy to the wicked. NOR does he show mercy to the coward, the mindless, the merciless, the stubborn, and the heartless.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 11:26 AM  

Here we go again with CJ's posts that are full of:

PooPoo
The Runs
Squirts
Diaper Rash

irrelevent un-substanciated nonsense!

By Anonymous Tinkerbell, at 10/29/2005 11:44 AM  

WHY, do you think, the code says:
Section 6331(a):

Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any
officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of
Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such
officer, employee, or elected official.

AND

IRC Section 3401 Definitions
(a) Wages. For purposes of this chapter, (Ch. 24 - withholding at the source) the term "wages" means all remuneration for services performed by an employee for his employer, including the cash value of all remuneration (including benefits) paid in any medium other than cash;
(c) Employee. For purposes of this chapter (Chapter 24 - Collection of Income Tax at Source on wages), the term "employee" includes an officer, employee or elected official of the United States, or of any political subdivision thereof, or of the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the foregoing. The term "employee" also includes an officer of a corporation.

AND

There is the other section or form that escapes my mind wherein they conveniently leave out section (b) wherein it says it only applies to “government employees.” Someone with good title 26 and form skills will post this for me I hope.

But without that –
It appears to be a deception does it not? But if you read in my previous post, title 28 definition of UNITED STATES, YOU will be able to note certain similarities with the above definitions.

Could it be that you, by virtue of status/citizenship/agreement and documentation are indeed an “employee of the Federal Corporation” a.k.a. the United States?

Now would the IRS want the employer or bank to consider that. NO, for it may mis-lead the employer to think you are not required? They omit it so the employer or bank etc… will do what is mandated for a US CITIZEN EMPLOYEE OF THE FEDERAL CORPORATION without question or confusion.

Just look at it from outside yourself or turn around 180 degrees and take a look. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 12:00 PM  

Tinkerbell said...
“Here we go again with CJ's posts that are full of:PooPoo The Runs
Squirts Diaper Rash irrelevent un-substanciated nonsense!”

Ahh...
Tinkerbell is scared! Her phony light of lies and deception is dimming for the actual factual data is being exposed with fact, evidence, law with real cites.

Tinker continuously shows only a limited vocabulary obsessed with feces. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 12:05 PM  

Given the multitude of the same and similar posts by Tinkerbell and anonymous...
It's your guess just where Tink has her/his head.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 12:19 PM  

White Knight!

White Knight!

Come get the medicine!

Hurry hurry hurry!

Your reply proves that you are a coward. Cowards think only themselves and would sell out their own mother to be out of harms way. You would sell yourself to the devil for 12 pieces of silver like Judas Iscariot. The only thing that we could hope for is that you would hang yourself after that. That would be good riddance of betrayers of the constitution the speed at which we are moving towards a revolution in this country who knows maybe we will get you sooner than you think..

John

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 12:30 PM  

Quatloos!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 12:57 PM  

Quatloos is a Federal corporation or is associated with a Federal corporation or is run by a Citizen of a Federal Corporation and/or works for a Federal corporation having no existence other than the existence the Corporation allows or grants it.

Quatloos has violated God’s law and/or any law of humanity by voluntarily placing it and everyone beneath other men rather than it’s creator.

Quatloos brazenly promotes the law of the corporation while scoffing at the law of God and of Humanity.

So what is Quatloos? So what good can Quatloos ever bring to anyone but more corporate control and more death and decay to humanity for the good of the corporation!
CJ

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 1:21 PM  

Yes cj it's a math question.Now send the man at the court a case of green onions & gartic & see if he can figure it out, if he can't you can refuse to help. Then just keep sending him a case a day till he does. cj you can pick up old onions & garlic from your local super market, the manager will even keep them for you if you ask him.Then you would only be out the freight.Now get started cj!Hey how many freinds do you have to help you? The older the onions the shorter time they will last,Get the picture? Ask the best & they will help you.If they can't figure it out the news paper would help them right?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 1:47 PM  

Who is Quatloos? Why ask, for Quatloos doensn’t know who Quatloos is. Quatloos pretends to be exposing “scams” but in reality Quatloos is only promoting the Federal Corporation. The Federal Corporation doesn’t care about humanity. The Federal Corporation only cares to extend its control throughout the world by means of, AS CONDI RICE SAID, “THE BARREL OF A GUN.” That is the purpose of the Federal corporation and it’s Legislative Democracy! Qualoos hates humanity for it promotes the killing and suffering of innocent living souls as the federal corporation spreads throughout the world. 30,000 innocent babies, children, women and men in Iraq and that is just this war for oil, power, money and control. Certainly Hussain was bad but he isn’t us. Now we are him. Quatloos is of that same character. The federal corporation exists to feed itself on and from the people. IT is not a form of government OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. IT IS a form of government of itself, by itself and for itself and Quatloos hates those that have the goodness of their creator in their hearts and seeks to relieve mankind from the corporate oppression and allow man to live and flourish under the original Republic as fought for by our forefathers. Quatloos HATES George Washington, James Madison and the rest and those who have come after them.

So what good is Quatloos to humanity? None! Quatloos is so ill it doesn’t even know it doesn’t belong here. It belongs in its own corporate state of thinking that “I am better than you and you must do as I say for there is no God or Creator other than the Man I wish to hold his turned out pocket and be lead by. (ever watch the tv show prison break?)
There I said it again.
Should be no doubt now.
CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 1:49 PM  

and Onion/Garlic breath, you are in the league of quatloos, now you go figure that out.
Your a hater of man and humanity. You speak in fiction and live in fiction and have no way to relieved yourself. How obvious.

How worse can you get? CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 1:52 PM  

cj i heard that swine like rotten green onoins & garlic,so send them 50,000 cases a day for ten days. Whats their address,please post it for us!!!!You may be right there may be swine at the court house. There is one sure way to find out!Green onions & garlic,RIGHT.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 1:58 PM  

How can he, who is part of the fiction, advise anyone of a scam.
The world is filled with deceit and fraud. The fiction promotes deceit and fraud by being a victim of deceit and fraud.

The federal corporation, like them or not, killed the people in Waco, Ruby Ridge and countless others and the storm troopers often beat down doors of the wrong house killing innocence in order to collect more debt from the perceived debtor.

The federal corporation continues to assassinate innocence in order to scare others into the act of hatred and Babylonian bitch whore thoughts while laughing as they continue to gain and control all upon the earth for themselves.

The mind of the world is indeed ill for the mind of the world and the mind of the majority of those living in the Geographic area known as the Union States under the control of the legislative democracy continues with the thoughts of Stalin, Hitler, Marx, (and I don’t mean Groucho).

STRANGE TO ME ARE THOSE WHO WORSHIP FALLEN MEN AND THOSE WHO ARE SELF-WORSHIPERS, SINCE THEY WORSHIP DECAYING FLESH!

There I said it again. Now remain in your inhumane place, or move along. Man does something for one of two reasons. Because he wants to or because he has to. You have been given free choice by the creator of your flesh. You stay inhumane and of ill will because you want to or you think you have to.

Love, like death, changes everything. CJ

By Anonymous CJ, at 10/29/2005 2:12 PM  

More food for thought, and free for the taking!
Can I be charged, prosecuted, and convicted for FREELY giving out information that SUPPORTS Schiff’s point of view, as well as restating the LAW?
Or, am I to only give out information for which Judge Kent Dawson has in his head, as he is the LAW?

I sent the following, in italics, to my employer in which they ignored it.
Can they? It’s the LAW!
It states in Section 1461 that the person (the employer) who deducts the wages is the liable party, but how can an employee deduct wages from yourself?
It also NEVER mentions a U.S. citizen in Chapter 3, unless you get into the interpretation that U.S. CITIZENS from the 50 states are FOREIGN CORPORATIONS!
Get it, you are a foreign corporation doing business with the United States, but you are not allowed to fill out a corporate tax return.
The government is prohibited from putting you in a CATCH-22 situation and then prosecute and convict you for either one of your actions.
Why wouldn’t the government answer Bob Schulz in 2001 or early 2002?
They would then reveal that they had no authority to collect ‘income’ tax in individuals in the 50 states!
They won’t answer us now so they just put us in prison like they did Schiff.

To employer:
I am requesting that you show me the Law that allows you to withhold any wages from U.S. Citizens when the only definition of a ‘withholding agent’ in the Internal Revenue Code, Section 7701(a)(16), which then refers to Section 1441, states you can only withhold for nonresident aliens.
TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle F--Procedure and Administration
CHAPTER 79--DEFINITIONS
Sec. 7701. Definitions
(a) When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof--
(1)Person
The term ``person'' shall be construed to mean and include an individual, a trust, estate, partnership, association, company or Corporation.
(3) Corporation
The term ``corporation'' includes associations, joint-stock companies, and insurance companies.
(14) Taxpayer
The term ``taxpayer'' means any person subject to any internal revenue tax.
(16) Withholding agent
The term ``withholding agent'' means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of section 1441, 1442, 1443, or 1461.

TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle A--Income Taxes
CHAPTER 3--WITHHOLDING OF TAX ON NONRESIDENT ALIENS AND FOREIGN CORPORATIONS
Subchapter A--Nonresident Aliens and Foreign Corporations
Sec. 1441. Withholding of tax on nonresident aliens
Sec. 1442. Withholding of tax on foreign corporations
Sec. 1443. Foreign tax-exempt organizations
Subchapter B--Application of Withholding Provisions
Sec. 1461. Liability for withheld tax
Every person required to deduct and withhold any tax under this chapter is hereby made liable for such tax and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any payments made in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/29/2005 2:13 PM  

Will my previous comments NOT be held up in court as it is NOT the LAW, who is the judge?

1) Judge Dawson will refuse to mention, or allow, the LAW in any courtroom!
2) You can be charged, prosecuted, and convicted of NOT knowing the LAW as “ignorance of the LAW is no excuse.”
3) Therefore Judge Dawson, or any other judge can charge, prosecute, and convict you by he himself refusing to show you the LAW!

Conclusion; Isn’t that a dictator?

This should be the focus on Schiff’s dismissal or appeal as Judge Dawson was WILLFUL in preventing the whole courtroom of knowing the LAW and therefore being able to charge, prosecute, and convict anyone with “ignorance of the LAW is no excuse” or their WILLFULNESS to submission of Judge Dawson which was by the choice of Judge Dawson!

He became GOD in that courtroom!!!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/29/2005 2:33 PM  

Quatloss and the like live in the fiction of the lie, believing that the fiction grants them power and existence over other men. But nothing ever was grown or created by the fiction other than another fiction. Nothing real.

For the few who hate other men, women and children but may yet have a mustard seed of life remaining in their wicked soul, try reading the Beatitudes [BE-ATTITUDE]. A way to actually BE, to live as a BEING on earth rather than a fiction. 1. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. 2.Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. And so on… OR - Try - To do no evil; To cultivate good; To purify one's mind: This is the teaching of the Buddhas. --The Dhammapada OR another form.

So there, I have offered up an enormous amount of words and concepts to spark your true emotion and you can flood the pages with your ill will toward your fellow man and extol your own pitiful virtues while proclaiming your reverence toward your own fiction and that of the fiction corporation….

While your busy making up and posting your one liners and quips, I’ll be away, helping my neighbors. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 2:41 PM  

What if a college student took a class in History of Religion.

The student wrote a well-written paper on the history of Christianity, which would have given him a blue ribbon at a Christian college.

But when the college professor handed the paper back it was given a grade of ‘F,’ for that subject is NOT allowed to be spoken of in this college!

The student followed the guidelines of the professor, but since the guidelines of the college didn’t allow the mention of Christianity (the truth of the tax laws), even though the country was based on Christian beliefs and we have had for the last 30 some years a Christian president, it was still forbidden to bring it up!

The student was expelled for just writing this paper and prohibited from attending any state organized college!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/29/2005 2:56 PM  

Some people like NUTS some don't.
Cindy Neun's got NUTS Schiff don't!

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 3:23 PM  

cj if you cant get even with onions & garlic,where does one get books on how to get even? DO you have a clue????

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 3:39 PM  

Someone correct me if I am wrong.
1. When the 16th amendment was passed illegally we all lost our "unalienable" rights. These are rights granted to all of us by our creator and can not be abrogated by the courts, congress, or anyone else.
2. We do not tax income. Income is only used as the measurement to establish how much tax we have to pay.
Having a job and working is not a "right" under the income tax, it is a "privilege."
What has happened is through some slick manuevering we no longer have a constitution, a declaration of independence, or a bill of rights. All 3 are null and void. Karl Marx and his tax program of a progressive income tax to create the Master/Slave relationship with the government is what we now have. Is this what you all want?
It seems that I read statements by the prosecution in Mr. Schiff's case and also from the Commissioner of the IRS that we are taxed on the "privilege" of working and the "privilege" of citizenship. I can not imagine in my wildest dreams that 1 per cent of the American people will continue to accept this most corrupt, treasonous, system of taxation.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 3:50 PM  

Anonymous John wrote...

White Knight!

White Knight!

Come get the medicine!

Hurry hurry hurry!

Your reply proves that you are a coward. Cowards think only themselves and would sell out their own mother to be out of harms way. You would sell yourself to the devil for 12 pieces of silver like Judas Iscariot. The only thing that we could hope for is that you would hang yourself after that. That would be good riddance of betrayers of the constitution the speed at which we are moving towards a revolution in this country who knows maybe we will get you sooner than you think..



Just take a big gulp, John. It won't hurt a bit. Salvation is at hand!

By Anonymous schiffiswrong, at 10/29/2005 3:56 PM  

Let’s get back to the issue at hand; how to set Irwin Schiff FREE, lawfully!

Here is a letter to send to your representatives:

Dear representative,
As the result of the Irwin Schiff trial, concluding Oct. 24, 2005, in Judge Kent Dawson’s courtroom, in Las Vegas NV, in the 9th U.S. District, you are hereby notified that your services are no longer required.

Judge Kent Dawson stated he was the LAW, and anything that Congress wrote was of no bearing in his courtroom.

We would like to resolve the matter, but it appears that Irwin Schiff, 77 years old, will be spending the rest of his life in prison because Judge Kent Dawson stated he was the LAW, which Congress was NOT.

Judge Kent Dawson:
1) Refused to allow the Internal Revenue Code to be read in the courtroom unless it supported the prosecution.
2) Sustained every objection by the prosecution when the defense was asking the questions, which was more than 80% of the defense’s questions.
3) Had only the defense’s witnesses Mirandized and not the prosecution's witnesses.
4) Had only witnesses in for the defense to be questioned on the character of Irwin Schiff and nothing about his books or other materials on tax law.
5) Allowed the prosecution to state to the jury before they went to deliberate; “You are hereby notified that if you do not bring back a decision of guilty you will be breaking the law.”
6) Denied the jurors from seeing the Internal Revenue Code when they asked for it, thus making the jurors guilty of; “ignorance of the law is no excuse.”
7) Had Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun convicted on ‘WILLFULNESS’ which was not given in great detail of what it was.
8) Denied bail for both Irwin Schiff and Cindy Neun as they were both flight risks for their promoting the TRUTH of the law, and NOT for any felony!!!

Thank You

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/29/2005 4:15 PM  

Nuts to the cj imposter.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 4:36 PM  

"quackloos" Victim of Irwin Schiff

Again, you write well, your witty, yet your comprehension needs improvement still. The fact is any "moron" can tell I was arguing from your fabricated point of view as being that, “fabricated”. Fabricated means a lie. I did not agree with you in any way.

I wrote, “So what are you then, one of those “suckers born every day” or just a plain old fraud?” Let me rephrase since apparently I write above your understanding.

Were you too stupid to understand Schiff’s disclaimer or are you a fraud? If this is still too complicated for you, are you stupid or are you a liar?

You are no victim. You are a fraud. That is the point and that is what every “moron” understands.


Now please just go home to quackloos you’re embarrassing yourself and I no longer take any pleasure in it.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/29/2005 4:37 PM  

If you take the time to understand what cj is telling, it would be as obvious to you as it is to me that he isn't looking to "get even."

Thanks cj for you insights

By Anonymous seekerofspirit, at 10/29/2005 4:38 PM  

A great injustice was perpetrated during the trial of Irwin Schiff which you can learn about at
http://helliseternal6.blogspot.com
And the latest
http://helliseternal7.blogspot.com
Irwin and Cindy need your help. If you are willing to help then forward this email in its entirety to everyone you know and ask them to forward it to everyone they know.
The ACLU filed a brief in support of Mr. Schiff’s fight to keep The Federal Mafia from being banned by the government.
Those of you who want to help Mr. Schiff need to help us get the ACLU involved in overturning this conviction. So stop whatever you are doing and call, write or email Gary Peck and express your concern about the way this trial was conducted.

Executive Director: Gary Peck
1700 E. Desert Inn Road, Suite 113
Las Vegas, NV 89109
Phone: 702-366-1226
Email: aclunv@anv.net

Also, we need the most well known and respected appellate attorneys in the United States, Mr. Alan Dershowitx and Mr. Barry Scheck involved. Therefore, you and everyone you know need to email, call, write or fax Mr. Dershowitz and Mr. Scheck and ask them to look into the egregious judicial misconduct demonstrated by Federal Judge Kent Dawson during Mr. Schiff’s trial.

Alan Dershowitz
Phone: (617) 495-4617
Fax: (617) 495-7855
dersh@law.harvard.edu

Barry Scheck
Innocence Project
100 Fifth Avenue, 3rd Floor
New York, NY 10011
info@innocenceproject.org
(212) 364-5340

Other informative blogs about Mr. Schiff’s trial at,
http://helliseternal5.blogspot.com
http://mickeydamouse.blogspot.com
http://stupefing.blogspot.com
http://helliseterna3.blogspot.com
http://mickeydamouse2.blogspot.com
http://helliseternal.blogspot.com

By Blogger We the Constitutionalists, at 10/29/2005 5:23 PM  

Heil instead of hile huh?
Better learn to get that right so I dont go to jail for saying it wrong. But the new word is Quatloos,Quotlose,Quatloose.
Better learn to get it right.Dont wanna go to jail for not kissin you bastards asses.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 5:29 PM  

You all don't get it!

The ALCU will not get involved with a criminal case period!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 5:43 PM  

onething is for sure all you quatloos drug addicted chlldren will be in hell having sex with hilter when you arrive.you numb nut bastards will never succede at anything.Hilter owned germany & he failed,the bastard took his own life!!!!!!Evil doers dont even like their own works & kill their own. They cant sleep at night till they do someone wrong. You bastards will kill yourselves before i will be able to. cj even knows this!!!!!!!!!!!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 6:00 PM  

CJ knoew as much as and air filled paper bag!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 6:24 PM  

Johnny Liberty just copped a guilty plea. Hope none of you are on his client list.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 7:25 PM  

Is he the "Institute for Cuminications Resources"?

What did he plead guilty to:

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 7:41 PM  

http://starbulletin.com/2005/05/13/news/story13.html

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 7:49 PM  

He was one of those from "Global Prosperity" ! They are all going to jail!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 7:54 PM  

Anonymous 4:59 said...
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
1. When the 16th amendment was passed illegally we all lost our "unalienable" rights. These are rights granted to all of us by our creator and can not be abrogated by the courts, congress, or anyone else.

Hello anon., I’m not attempting to correct you or say you are wrong. I will however offer some other insights that are often overlooked.

First, Government cannot make or force you, if you are an American and not born in any insular possession, to give up or give away an inalienable right. Therefore the 16th amendment didn’t do that to you in the sense that you were ever forced.

U.S. Supreme Court in Brady v. U.S., 397 US 742: "Waivers of Constitutional rights not only must be voluntary, but must be knowing, intelligent acts done with sufficient awareness of the relevant circumstances and likely consequences."

The 16th amendment did NOT remove your inalienable rights. Mostly it (16th) is considered because the IRS/DOJ have used to use it in court to confuse the jury and get convictions.

Why do I say they used it to confuse? Well the Supreme Court said that the amendment was “erroneously constructed” as evidenced by the following quote from the Brushaber opinion.
“In fact, comprehensively surveying all the contentions [240 U.S. 1, 26] relied upon, aside from the erroneous construction of the Amendment which we have previously disposed of, …”
What they previously disposed of was the manner of wording and how it had to be read in order that the two taxing clauses contained in the body of the Constitution didn’t conflict. In Brushaber, the Court stated:
“… the contentions under it [the 16th Amendment], if acceded to, would cause one provision of the Constitution to destroy another; that is, they would result in bringing the provisions of the Amendment exempting a direct tax from apportionment into irreconcilable conflict with the general requirement that all direct taxes be apportioned. … This result, instead of simplifying the situation and making clear the limitations on the taxing power … would create radical and destructive changes in our constitutional system and multiply confusion.”

So we have two references to the nature of the wording of the amendment and isn’t it coincidence that the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th were created by the same people?

One has to always know who he or she is in relationship to the government and to law. One must also always know which government he or she is dealing with at any given time. Mostly today it is only the Federal Corporation as defined in title 28 as posted earlier.
Best wishes, Just blowing air from my paper bag that is also filled with cites, evidence, understanding and consideration for my fellow man. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/29/2005 8:13 PM  

At one time in my life, I thought I had a handle on the meaning of the word "service."
"The act of doing things for other people."

Then I heard these terms:
Internal Revenue Service
Postal Service
Telephone Service
Civil Service
City/County Public Service
Customer Service
Service Stations
And I became confused about the word "service." This is not what I thought "service" meant.

Then today, I overheard two farmers talking and one said he had hired a bull to "service" a few of his cows.

Enlightenment! It all came into perspective. Now I understand what all those "service" agencies are doing to us.

Have a wonderful day, and I hope you are now as enlightened as I am.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 8:20 PM  

Another "tax honesty" puke bites the dust and another one's gone...

HONOLULU (AP) _ A Maui man accused of bilking clients out of more than 700-thousand dollars has pleaded guilty to tax and wire fraud charges.

Federal prosecutors say John David Van Hove offered to help clients hide assets from the Internal Revenue Service and evade taxes.

Van Hove is also known as ``Johnny Liberty.''

He faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and more than 250-thousand dollars in fines when he's sentenced in May.

Van Hove was arrested in Oregon after being indicted in April for wire fraud, obstructing the administration of tax laws and avoiding the filing of individual income tax returns.

(Copyright 2005 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved.)

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/29/2005 9:11 PM  

Hey Frankie,

Keep posting so we all can see how little you know of Schiff's material.

By Anonymous frank #uckner, at 10/29/2005 10:00 PM  

non-liable said (10/29/2005 5:15pm)

************************.
Judge Kent Dawson:

5) Allowed the prosecution to state to the jury before they went to deliberate; “You are hereby notified that if you do not bring back a decision of guilty you will be breaking the law.”
************************.

If that is true, then I am lost for words. All that comes to mind is "what a scum bag piece of $hit!"

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 10:18 PM  

WHO is a scumbag piece of shit. Judge Dawson or Frank Buckner? Ah forget it. That was a terribly stupid question.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 10:34 PM  

Quatloos!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 10:35 PM  

Oh thanks for that answer. So Quatloos are the scumbag pieces of shit. Thanks for the clarification.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 10:37 PM  

I apologize for my use of scatalogical language, though it is a true and apt description.

The statement that "if you do not bring back a decision of guilty you will be breaking the law” is an intimidation ploy ad a threat. It is equivalent to telling the jurors that "if you don't find Schiff guilty, you'll be breaking the law, and you'll soon be defendants yurselves!"

The prosecutor's statement was categoricaly false. A juror is not "breaking the law" regardless of the verdict rendered and cannot be held to account by anyone but God for his or her verdict.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/29/2005 11:21 PM  

WHO is a scumbag piece of shit. Judge Dawson or Frank Buckner? Ah forget it. That was a terribly stupid question. 11:34 PM

An insult from a cowardly "piece of shit" that's afraid to use their name doesn't carry anything but amusement with it. Thanks for the chuckle moron.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/29/2005 11:21 PM  

Hey Frankie,

Keep posting so we all can see how little you know of Schiff's material.


One "tax honesty" huckster is just like another. Schiff is nothing different than any snake-oil salesman ~ different bottle, same crap.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/29/2005 11:28 PM  

Proclamation Suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus
Abraham Lincoln
September 24, 1862
Proclamation Suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

A PROCLAMATION

Whereas, it has become necessary to call into service not only volunteers but also portions of the militia of the States by draft in order to suppress the insurrection existing in the United States, and disloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the ordinary processes of law from hindering this measure and from giving aid and comfort in various ways to the insurrection;

Now, therefore, be it ordered, first, that during the existing insurrection and as a necessary measure for suppressing the same, all Rebels and Insurgents, their aiders and abettors within the United States, and all persons discouraging volunteer enlistments, resisting militia drafts, or guilty of any disloyal practice, affording aid and comfort to Rebels against the authority of United States, shall be subject to martial law and liable to trial and punishment by Courts Martial or Military Commission:

Second. That the Writ of Habeas Corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prison, or other place of confinement by any military authority of by the sentence of any Court Martial or Military Commission.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington this twenty fourth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the Independence of the United States the 87th.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

By the President:

OH MY GAWD!!!!! Was this ever really lifted? Holy moley batman, the conspiracy lives on, this was never repealed - Cindy you're totally screwed Chicky!

By Anonymous Cindy (prison bitch) Neun, at 10/30/2005 12:00 AM  

Anonymous said
"Arguing in court about the existing code is pointless. It's time we focus on getting rid of the IRS and the tax code all together. It's the Fair Tax Act of 2005 HR 25/S 25 http://www.fairtax.org/"

---------

Sort of like the burglar you catch in your house with a bag of your property. You demand that the thief return the goods. The thief says, "OK, but I'm going to steal something else since you caught me. Is that Ok with you?"

You seem to say that the thief had the right to steal from you in the first place or you just can't deal with the thief. I understand, why don’t you ask the government to help you? Sounds desperate to me. As a Creator you can tell your creation to stuff it or you can lick dem boots and beg the master for help.

The fairtax is a joke. Probably written by "reasonable guy" or Frank Buckner.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 12:37 AM  

Victim of Irwin Schiff, Spanky, tweeter, reasonable guy, schiffiswrong are just everyday bootlickers. Yo Mama appears to want to taste the boot. They write like the quackloos anti-truth-bodies floating through their discussion board. They are there to stir up the crap and waste your time. In reality the are willing slaves in good favor of their masters.

Your good points become muddled when you make a grammatical error or spelling. They will attempt to make you seem inferior and detract from your point. The next thing is to label you a TP to dismiss you. Then as lawyers and lawyer wannabes you get tangled up in pointless discussion of “legal” law.

This is what they are doing here.

Here is part of the Quackloos mentality and philosophy. From previous posts.

Quackloos quote, “It is logically impossible that the law is other than what the courts say it is. There simply is no real world of law that differs from the courts' interpretation of the law”

[Quackloos quote] But in law (legal)the arguments are not decided by comparison with the real world. They are decided by judges in a court. There is no real world in which the judges can be wrong. If they say, for example, as the SCOTUS did about a decade ago, that taking away a woman's car (held in her name) because her husband (unknown to her) used the car to have sex with a prostitute is not an unreasonable seizure, then that is the law, whether or not you believe (as I do) that it's patently ridiculous. Stupid, illogical, specious--but not illegal.

This is slave language.

What does Yick Wo say, “not subject to the law”, “And the law is the limitation of power”. This lawful law is in harmony with inalienable rights of Life, Liberty, Property and the pursuit of happiness. This is language of the free. Understood by those who know that freemen do not grant rights only slave masters grant rights.

I once used a character named Hill Billy with his backwoods language to dissect the Brushaber opinion. It was hilarious how this backward person got to the bootlickers. Hill Billy plainly showed exactly what Irwin Schiff had said about this opinion. Hill Billy could barely spell two words correctly in his commentary, he did however convey truth. Since Hill Billy was always apologetic for his lack of education it squashed any points about “correct spelling”.

Truth
1) If it is a direct tax then it falls under apportionment.
2) If it is an indirect tax then it may not be levied as a direct tax.
3) That an income tax as an excise tax cannot be levied at the source as that would be taxing income as a direct tax.
4) That the 16th Amendment is in complete agreement with the above and adds no other way of taxing other than as stated above while remembering uniformity in an excise tax

Yet, for all that Hill Billy showed correctly and undisputed in the end, the real truth of the opinion came out. This opinion still went in favor of the government.

In other words it is true that you can’t treat a direct tax as an indirect tax by the Constitution because of the apportionment provision but this court didn’t care. When it gets down to it that’s what the opinion claims. That was the only truth posted by the quackloos monitors. Hill Billy embarrassed them so badly that quackloos had to save face.

Some bootlicker from quackloos will probably deny this, but I saved the original message.

So in one sense why is there surprised about the conviction of Schiff and friends? You can boil the trial down to this in a shorten version of the trial. Judge (King George) Dawson–“Mr. Schiff you are correct in all of you major assertions about the income tax and the Constitution. Mr. Schiff even Jay Leno knows the Constitution is dead. Why Leno suggested we send it to Iraq as that it is not used here anymore. Legal law, sir, is about public policy and your individual unalienable rights are dead. This is a court of process so you must now move along not and not stir up anymore truth. Court reporter strike ‘truth’ from the record and insert ‘trouble’.”

This is really what the Quackloos philosophy is about. Or in plain street language, Dat da way it is. So pay up slave. You see, just like “Yo Mama” the bootlicker said, “I don't agree with you, but man I want to eat.”

Don’t argue with bootlickers.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 12:58 AM  

Frank Buckner said...
One "tax honesty" huckster is just like another. Schiff is nothing different than any snake-oil salesman ~ different bottle, same crap.

10/30/2005 12:28 AM

I guess there are some that believe in lies!

So tell me, when was the last time you saw a Federal Reserve Note that was backed by “LAWFUL MONEY” (gold), rather than just “ALL DEBTS, public and private”?

When did the Federal Reserve Act become ratified by the States?

What Amendment number was it?

I thought the U.S. Constitution stated: The Congress shall have Power…To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin,…!

When did Congress change the U.S. Constitution to pay the debts of foreign countries WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS?

I thought the U.S. Constitution stated: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States;!

If Congress can change the U.S. Constitution without having an Amendment ratified then you could be in some deep doo-doo when they re-instate SLAVERY do reduce the cost of American products to compete with China and other countries!

Even president Lincoln got rid of the ‘Writ of Habeas Corpus’ without a Constitutional Amendment!

So I guess Schiff was a scam artist for trying to tell the American people what the LAW was, but he was totally wrong when we found out that federal Judges are the LAW and Congress IS NOT!!!

Is it necessary to be hauled into a courtroom as a defendant to find out what the LAW IS?

If that is true, then there must be a class in law that requires you to be charged and convicted to become a lawyer!!!

By Anonymous non-liable, at 10/30/2005 1:33 AM  

Fraud Buckner,

Should my daughter be forced pay for my credit card debt when she comes of age and can work?

I doubt you will answer. It will continue to expose your fraud. You didn't dare respond when I asked what are the documents that grant you freedom from a previous post 10/26/2005 08:04:12.

Fraud you and I end up at a restaurant at separate tables. The waiter comes to me and reads me the daily special. He claims it’s not very good. I order it anyway. You order your food.

I finish my food and the waiter brings me my check. I tell the waiter that indeed the food was less than enjoyable and I will not pay for it. He says, “well you were warned in advance”. I agree and then say just give the bill to Mr. Fraud Buckner.

Now Fraud Buckner should you be forced to pay that bill? Of course you shouldn’t. Nor should my daughter be forced pay for debt that I have incurred. Should I drag you into court to pay that bill? I probably can if the legal law is written that way. If you and my daughter were forced to pay, remember it is all “legal”. Of course this is really legalized theft. I’m sure you would agree.

Funny this is how Social Security and the Income tax work. Everyone know that SS is bankrupt and a fraud designed to keep track of the slaves. The income tax only pays mostly for social programs and the interest on the national debt. Well my daughter didn’t create the national debt and it’s not her fault you don’t like the taste of SS. You will though force her with threat of jail and loss of property if she won’t pay for your bad investments, won’t you. It is all legal and it is legalized theft.

Fraud I’m going to imagine that you will say you like SS and income taxes at the expense of other Life, Liberty, Property and pursuit of happiness.

Language of the bootlicking slave.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 1:41 AM  

FICTION OF LAW - An assumption of supposition of law that something which is or may be false is true, or that a state of facts exists which has never really taken place...A rule of law which assumes as true, and will not allow to be disproved, something which is false, but not impossible. Black's

I have learned a new word of art "Fiction of Man" contained within these blogs are Fictions of Men. It can only be assumed they are men but it is false yet they can use the title of "man" though they never really were or are.

Within the animal kingdom are Males, not men. While a male monkey is a male, he cannot be a man. We read from lots of males from Quatloos, Buckner, Reasonable "guy" (not even male), anonymous, and others acting as FICTIONS OF MEN.

Their monkey language exposes them as does their unhumane soul. CJ

By Anonymous cj, at 10/30/2005 7:35 AM  

non-liable,
From that post, I can only assume it's time for your lithium.

Anon2, that's about the most stupid analogy I've ever heard (and I've been following exploits of you people for some time) congrats.

By Blogger Frank Buckner, at 10/30/2005 9:32 AM  

Fraud Buckner,

Language of a slave. You have to protect what your master steals from others and gives to you.

You can't possibly see it any other way.

You are a wise fraud never the less still a fraud.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 10:40 AM  

Fraud Buckner,

Oh wise bootlicking slave. Enlighten us with the principles of freedom or Life, Liberty, Property and the pursuit of happiness endowed to us by a Creator.

Or what do these words mean. "Thou shall not steal".

How do you justify the debt of others, good or otherwise, to be paid by another such as your children when they are not a party to that debt?

I knew there is an inheritance to wealth. So there is a lawful inheritance to another's debt? (Actually a nation's debt.) Where does stealing another's property have anything to do with freedom? Where is written by the free or your Creator, described in this land, to do such stealing upon others who are free?

We await your wise bootlicking response.

By Anonymous anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 11:00 AM  

"Hile Hitler" and quatloos do have the same meaning and these people should burn in hell and they probably will.
They have come down on every one that dares tell the truth about the government and it's fraud. Kind of sounds like somebody is getting a big fat paycheck from the shadow government.
As far as Schiff goes, this man has done nothing but tell the truth from day one. Come on, 3 ex-IRS agents have done the research and they can't find any law that make most people liable for the income tax. Before you come down on Schiff, do the research for yourself. I did, because I did not want to follow someone on just their opinion.
The constitutionalist, I'm right with you,if we let him hang alone, we might as well go ahead and put the noose around our own necks, because it won't be that much longer it will be done for us.
For those of you that want to join quatloos and I hope you are kidding,
you might as well worship the devil himself, or do you?
This goes way beyond the IRS, it's the New World Order and their agenda. it's about corruption that runs so deep and wide that most people have no clue.
One last thing, when will we as a people learn from history, we see what Hitler did and if you study any at all, you know That Hitler had the reichstag building burned by his own people and blamed it on terrorist, so he could pass laws to control his people and take away their weapons.
Now Look at Bush, 911 was an inside job and if you don't know that by now, you must be living in a cave.
Look at what he has done since then, Patriot act 1 & 2, Marshall law in New Orleans and now the Avian Flu scare. Why? Congressman Ron Paul said it's because he wants to use the military to take our weapons from us under marshall law.
So if you want to walk away from Schiff and throw your nose up to him, I hope that the favor is returned in the near future.

By Blogger Forward4u, at 10/30/2005 11:21 AM  

IDIOTS!

The income tax is and has been ruled as an "indirect excise tax"!

"“the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation, but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged, and being placed in the category of direct taxation.”
[Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103, at 112 (1916)]

Can the so-called patriots ever think? Apparently NOT!

By Anonymous foofoo, at 10/30/2005 12:27 PM  

poopoo said...
IDIOTS!

The income tax is and has been ruled as an "indirect excise tax"!

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It is called an indirect tax, levied as a direct tax. This is where the Chief Thief makes the obvious obscure and the lie a truth.

If it is said long and hard enough then it becomes the truth for bootlicken slaves like you POOPOO.

Legalism is, by consensus of the powerful and their slaves, the right to steal.

Lawful is only in agreement with Creator given unalienable rights.

You POOPOO are not a man of Yick Wo or the Constitution. You are a bootlicken’ slave.

Yick Wo -“not subject to the law”, “And the law is the limitation of power”

To a bootlicken' thief or slave it doesn't matter how you justify the theft just as long as you get the scraps from the table.

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 1:17 PM  

foofoo said...
IDIOTS!
"“the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation..."
Can the so-called patriots ever think? Apparently NOT! 10/30/2005 12:27 PM

Well let's see I the so called Patriots think...hmmmm....don't know how to accurately count the number of times Irwin has said the above and more...hmmm....can you think to understand that? I guess not!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 1:18 PM  

The Bootlicken' slaves creed. They quote the following.

Dumbo v We The Sheeple

"subject to the law and the law is not the limitation of power"

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/30/2005 1:25 PM  

Here is the list of Bootlicken slaves.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=26&sec=6331

Section 6331. Levy and distraint

Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official.

Now as a bootlicken' this law does apply to you and therefore you can claim any protections offered by this servants code.

If you free then why would anyone quote for its protection. Would you not ask your opponent the slave master how does this apply to me instead?

This is why I continue to stress don’t argue what doesn’t apply to you. Ask instead how does it apply to me?

Have you noticed not one Bootlicken’ slave here can PooPoo Wick Wo v Hopkins. It like the cross before a blood sucking vampire and the light of the morning sun these monsters fear.

These bootlicken’ slaves always quote from their master’s book of lies. These lies are the truths for them bootlicken’ slaves. Don’t engage them at their bottom feeder level. Throw the hook at them and see if they will bite Yick Wo v Hopkins?

By Anonymous Anonymous2, at 10/30/2005 1:48 PM